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Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
31. It figures you did not even look
Wed Apr 28, 2021, 01:47 PM
Apr 2021

The immigrant and the African American woman are two different people. But you did not bother to look at the information I provided, because you do not care about these accomplished professionals.

The implication here is that the District of Columbia Medical Examiner's office is covering up on behalf of white supremacist rioters.

The most charitable interpretations is that the relevant people in that office can't figure out if a stroke was or was not caused by some kind of poison.

Since you did not even bother to look at the biographies of the persons in question, the DC Chief Medical Examiner is Dr. Francisco J. Diaz:

https://ocme.dc.gov/page/executive-staff-ocme



Dr. Francisco J. Diaz received his medical degree in his native country, Dominican Republic. After receiving his medical degree, Dr. Diaz trained in Anatomic Pathology at Conemaugh Memorial Medical Center in Johnstown, Pennsylvania/Temple University. In 2000, Dr. Diaz accepted a fellowship in forensic pathology with the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in affiliation with Hahnemann University (now Drexel University).

After completing the forensic pathology fellowship, Dr. Diaz joined the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Wayne County, Michigan as an Assistant Medical Examiner. In January 2012, in affiliation with the Wayne County Medical Examiner's Office, Dr. Diaz was appointed to the University of Michigan faculty, Department of Pathology as Assistant Professor. Dr. Diaz was a Medical Examiner in Michigan for 16 years.

Dr. Diaz has performed more than 8500 autopsies during his career and testified hundreds of times in circuit, district, and federal courts. He has also provided numerous civil depositions. Dr. Diaz is the co-author of "Spitz and Fisher Medicolegal Investigation of Death on his 5th edition.


The person specifically in charge of toxicology, who would have been responsible for determining if the stroke was triggered by some sort of poison is Dr. Samantha Tolliver:



Samantha S. Tolliver, Ph.D., is the Chief Toxicologist at the Washington, DC Office of the Chief Medical Examiner (DC OCME). She was previously employed as the Deputy Chief Toxicologist at the DC OCME and has been employed there since 2014.

Her fifteen years of toxicology experience include postmortem, driving under the influence, drug facilitated crime, pre/post exposure and work place drug testing. Her testimony experience encompasses both civil (family law) and criminal, within the States of Texas and Massachusetts, as well as the District of Columbia.

Dr. Tolliver holds a Bachelor’s Degree in Chemistry from West Virginia State University. She earned both her Master of Science in Forensic Science, as well as a Doctorate in Chemistry from Florida International University.


As the municipal government of the District of Columbia is a Democratic administration, both Dr. Diaz, who is an immigrant, and Dr. Tolliver, who is an African American, were appointed to their posts by a Democratic majority government.

As you yourself have pointed out, the same office did in fact point out that the manner of death of Officer Evans was homicide. Had they reached that conclusion in the case of Officer Sicknick, they would have said so in that instance as well.

To somehow suggest that their findings ignored what could have caused Officer Sicknick's death is to paint them as either stupid or corrupt. The alternative suggestion, that a finding of the cause of the strokes would have been out of scope of their report, reflects an absence of understanding of what medical examiners do.

There are otherwise healthy people in all professions and walks of life who are walking around with undiagnosed conditions that are ticking time bombs. No one realized that discontinuing his 1988 presidential campaign probably saved Joe Biden's life when he was 46 years old and walking around with an aneurysm ready to blow, because it was a condition that nobody had a reason to look for until it happened.

I believe it is worthwhile to know whose integrity is being put on the line in these types of situations.

And I do believe it is relevant, if one believes that the ME is covering up for white supremacists, to ponder why the African American toxicologist has put her reputation on the line for that purpose.

That is why I interject that. Explain why these people are covering for white supremacists.




A Young Healthy Policeman DanieRains Apr 2021 #1
What did the Medical Examiner say was the cause of George Floyd's death. bottomofthehill Apr 2021 #16
You are making things up Effete Snob Apr 2021 #19
My bad, from your provided report cardiopulmonary arrest bottomofthehill Apr 2021 #22
It also says "HOMICIDE" Effete Snob Apr 2021 #23
Almost reads like one of those things where the report is: He was tied up, gagged, shot mulitple ck4829 Apr 2021 #2
Natural Cause deaths can be caused by things like stress ,emtional trauma etc JI7 Apr 2021 #3
I agree with you. secondwind Apr 2021 #5
That's what I think too. nt Raine Apr 2021 #7
There is a more direct line bottomofthehill Apr 2021 #18
Both my husband and I responded to that news with sarcastic variants on "Yeah, sure he did." Hekate Apr 2021 #4
Hateful ignorance does come naturally for too many? czarjak Apr 2021 #6
Considering the medical examiner ruled he Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #8
Some people believe in science selectively Effete Snob Apr 2021 #11
Not me malaise Apr 2021 #9
Why do you think this woman is a liar? Effete Snob Apr 2021 #14
Yes. tavernier Apr 2021 #10
+1 bottomofthehill Apr 2021 #17
I believe he died of a stroke. BlueStater Apr 2021 #12
Who are you saying is "covering up" the actual cause? brooklynite Apr 2021 #13
An immigrant and an African American woman Effete Snob Apr 2021 #15
Let's try this again bottomofthehill Apr 2021 #20
You are still making things up Effete Snob Apr 2021 #21
Nope, I pretty much say cause of death not manner bottomofthehill Apr 2021 #24
The ME in the Floyd case determined homicide, The ME in the Evans case determined homicide Effete Snob Apr 2021 #27
Probably neither but I know this bottomofthehill Apr 2021 #30
It figures you did not even look Effete Snob Apr 2021 #31
Here's the issue - when we hear "natural causes", we always tend to associate bullwinkle428 Apr 2021 #25
Len Bias died because the cocaine he tried was Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #26
Len Bias would have made the Celtics great bottomofthehill Apr 2021 #29
If your point is correct, the ME would say so Effete Snob Apr 2021 #28
Well technically speaking, poisons naturally kills life on this planet, including humans. msfiddlestix Apr 2021 #32
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