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In reply to the discussion: Just saw Kamau Bell on CNN still defending the phrase "defund the police". [View all]Treefrog
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Just saw Kamau Bell on CNN still defending the phrase "defund the police". [View all]
brush
May 2021
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"Defund the Police" Was A Gift to Republicans. It Cost Us Close House Elections That We Won in 2018.
Indykatie
May 2021
#2
Do you have any polling showing it cost us? Not polling of DTP popularity but polling that voters
uponit7771
May 2021
#15
Come on...it hurt us. When people insist on polls, usually they know the truth. It hurts us
Demsrule86
May 2021
#21
Facts matter, people get impressions that are wrong. For instance, slavery is still ...
uponit7771
May 2021
#25
I'd agree with the 2nd sentence ... IF... the candidate ascribed to the slogan but few to no one
uponit7771
May 2021
#136
Ask Trump if they work, if in kind and with merritt counters do work if the lie is caught quickly
uponit7771
May 2021
#138
Not defending the slogan, my position is 1. there's no exit polling or close to proof that it was
uponit7771
May 2021
#155
Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position and even you agree that allowing reps to define ...
uponit7771
May 2021
#168
That's all great advice, and I agree with your premise. But the slogan is still ...
Whiskeytide
May 2021
#289
True, but to show it was a gating factor no one has done with anything empirical. One poster ...
uponit7771
May 2021
#108
Accepting only anecdotes when hard evidence could be available is what's foolish
uponit7771
May 2021
#180
Not an exit poll or anything close to it, got anything post election saying people didn't vote
uponit7771
May 2021
#104
I'm old enough to recall myriad times republicans have turned Dem slogans against us
bigtree
May 2021
#201
A key excerpt from that article, in answer to those repeatedly saying "show us the polls...."
George II
May 2021
#218
None of that is exit polling data etc. answer the question about the Biden and Beef for me
uponit7771
May 2021
#53
Those aren't exit polls or post polling data, "These ads were effective" is an opinion not ...
uponit7771
May 2021
#57
+1, the article is also very jaded seeing there was no national movement to dtp and few to no
uponit7771
May 2021
#113
Sigh, still no exit polling or anything like it... I'm done ...If you can't find the data no one can
uponit7771
May 2021
#109
Posting an article falsely claiming there was a nationwide move to defund the police is false ...
uponit7771
May 2021
#115
No credible exit polls exist for dtp and not one has been shown so far. If dtp was such a gating ...
uponit7771
May 2021
#106
They weren't exit polls or anything like it, please don't jump on band wagons without knowing why
uponit7771
May 2021
#133
New Post-Election Poll Reveals How Democrats' Leftward Movement Cost the Party in the 2020 Election
LetMyPeopleVote
May 2021
#87
There was no movement across the country to defund the police as this polls says this attempt
uponit7771
May 2021
#103
Calling people stupid, foolish and telling them to shut up is probably not going to help
StarfishSaver
May 2021
#165
Well yeah, you're right we should allow reps to define us first and falsely that worked great 🙄
uponit7771
May 2021
#171
When the Cooperative Congressional Election Study 2020 Data Guide is released
lapucelle
May 2021
#184
None of that works...that will still be protrayed as defunding the police. We need to reform the
Demsrule86
May 2021
#23
some of those terms are not loaded and are not the same old tired ass 'reform' bollocks that has
Celerity
May 2021
#24
Reform is a process and that is what is needed...not reforming police departments exactly.
Demsrule86
May 2021
#27
I taked about nothing other than better branding so I do not know what you mean by this:
Celerity
May 2021
#29
What you say makes sense but, sorry, "reform" is played. It's tired as it's been slung about...
brush
May 2021
#75
Of course, but do you care to comment on the wisdom of the phrase "defund the police"...
brush
May 2021
#8
+1, ... they should've backed her up saying they're enabling an out and out racist, sexual ...
uponit7771
May 2021
#17
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 ... and they show ... ***NO PROOF*** in any exit polling of voters that DTP was
uponit7771
May 2021
#16
There is no proof, but since even our local Dem activists were questioning whether it meant...
TreasonousBastard
May 2021
#18
I agree with the poster that we should own the SENTIMENT and tell the nazi kkkons to fuck off
uponit7771
May 2021
#19
This board is made up of activists with long histories of protesting in the streets so can the...
brush
May 2021
#102
Been there and done that many times. Never thought up such a stupid slogan though.
brush
May 2021
#125
... but we'll let you know when it is. In the meantime, be careful not to annoy or offend us
StarfishSaver
May 2021
#116
"they are the cause of most of the violence." maybe you do have to explain?
EX500rider
May 2021
#146
Wait...what? Where did anybody claim that W Camau Bell didn't have the right to express his opinion?
lapucelle
May 2021
#31
Pushing a misinterpreted slogan associated with the Democratic Party hurts Democrats.
lapucelle
May 2021
#40
I see you're new to this. If you're a Democrat and want to see Democratic candidates...
brush
May 2021
#100
Who's censoring him? Just as he can, we can also express our opionions on dumb opinions.
brush
May 2021
#124
We alreay knew you were a defund the police fan. IMO it's the dumbest slogan ever.
brush
May 2021
#128
Please just stop you look foolish peddling your bs, go on keep costing us elections
caber09
May 2021
#166
Is that the only criteria for you, that one be an "official" or "spokesman" of the Democratic Party?
George II
May 2021
#204
Is he a registered Democrat? If so, he's "affiliated with the Democratic Party".
George II
May 2021
#205
And even if he is a registered Dem, expressing his opinion on a topic is not speaking for the party
StarfishSaver
May 2021
#222
You're equating Bell expressing his opinion about DTP with what Fox, et al, do?
StarfishSaver
May 2021
#226
I'm equating the argument that Bell can say whatever, damaging or not, on a public forum,...
Budi
May 2021
#228
I'll bet you couldn't describe one other thing Bell has said or a position he's taken or whether
StarfishSaver
May 2021
#230
As I said, you can't come up with anything else that Bell has said that you're aware of
StarfishSaver
May 2021
#237
Losing house seats isn't as big of deal as not having a veto proof majority in the Senate
AZProgressive
May 2021
#20
What do *you* think this man, a professional communicator, should say instead?
WhiskeyGrinder
May 2021
#28
One would hope that a "professional communicator" would say something more incisive and
lapucelle
May 2021
#34
It's ageist. There's no "perfection" in dismissing a demographic known for showing up at the polls.
lapucelle
May 2021
#38
Right, but that's still communication, and comics often use politics in their work.
WhiskeyGrinder
May 2021
#267
Never heard of him and as stated above, "Defund the Police" was a gift to Republicans.
SMC22307
May 2021
#42
Once "reform the police" is explained and people believe it's more than a bs.slogan
StarfishSaver
May 2021
#132
I don't think "defund" necessarily means to completely eliminate funding
StarfishSaver
May 2021
#144
"Taking funds away" is not the same as reducing or diverting the funding
StarfishSaver
May 2021
#151
Sentient, thinking people get nuance. I know all that, as do you, but you know...
brush
May 2021
#153
It's not up to Black and Brown people to dummy everything down for ignorant white people with
StarfishSaver
May 2021
#154
I hope what you say in your last graph happens because the elections are so close...
brush
May 2021
#156
That's what people always say when trying to justify telling Black and Brown people we have to
StarfishSaver
May 2021
#157
Too many allies spend too much time and effort telling Black and Brown people what we're doing
StarfishSaver
May 2021
#159
This ads worked because the GOP could point to prominent members of the Squad
LetMyPeopleVote
May 2021
#187
Most of the gains we made in 2018 were due to historic increase in voter participation...
Humanist_Activist
May 2021
#189
THANK YOU !!! If it wasn't dtp it would've been Biden hates beef or Socialism or any other ...
uponit7771
May 2021
#206
I think the issues are that both parties are somewhat of a mess right now....
Humanist_Activist
May 2021
#213
I wonder when was the last time anyone on DU quoted anything Kamau Bell had to say
StarfishSaver
May 2021
#77
I do not know who Kamu Bell is and I am not interested enough to try to find out
LetMyPeopleVote
May 2021
#79
I posted it because I couldn't believe another woke (uh-oh, another wording turned into a hot-)
brush
May 2021
#141
There are lots of reasons we nearly lost the Blue Wave advantage in the House, etc.
StarfishSaver
May 2021
#234
"Blaming it on "Defund the Police" is a lazy excuse." THANK YOU !!! Warnock and Osoff won with
uponit7771
May 2021
#241
BINGO !!! Few people are defending the slogan but to say it killed us down ballot is an excuse ..
uponit7771
May 2021
#236
There's a difference between a phrase that no campaign adopted being a "bad slogan"
StarfishSaver
May 2021
#195
+1, I think the bigger issue is the "demanding less" on the issue of policing is done so the ingroup
uponit7771
May 2021
#240
Neither did 99.9% of all dem candidates but somehow that slogan was blamed for their losses ...
uponit7771
May 2021
#182
Again, your lack of experience in working on campaigns in the real world is sad
LetMyPeopleVote
May 2021
#188
LOL thank you for confirming yet again that you do not understand how campaigns work
LetMyPeopleVote
May 2021
#212
Done, wont answer simplest question & your condescension is childish. Please post to someone else
uponit7771
May 2021
#227
More derision, you must have had a lot tied up in the dtp losing down ballot races analysis cause
uponit7771
May 2021
#245
Did you read the article? You are misquoting this article is a very deceptive manner
LetMyPeopleVote
May 2021
#263
... and neither did the other down ballot dems that lost. My point is weak messaging and unclear
uponit7771
May 2021
#231
However did Warnock and Ossoff win their Senate races with Defund The Police around their neck?!
Arazi
May 2021
#135
They're "throwing down the gauntlet" because they don't want to actually address the real problem
StarfishSaver
May 2021
#150
omg THANK YOU !! Also, when I ask people about EMPIRICAL evidence that it cost us down ballot ...
uponit7771
May 2021
#181
We can be smarter than to give the GOP such a gift to use against our candidates.
brush
May 2021
#251
I daresay, this in a time when those black voices and votes have been paramount
bigtree
May 2021
#199
I gave context. He had a video on with a chart showing how "reallocating" police finds...
brush
May 2021
#248
the 'gift' in this case is the bevy of Democrats who can't stop scolding people who say 'defund'
bigtree
May 2021
#260
How silly, as if Democrats paid for the myraid of negative ads republicans used to win...
brush
May 2021
#262
And the pushback ALWAYS is against the voices and messaging of the oppressed
StarfishSaver
May 2021
#246
I'm as against killer cops as anyone but we have to be smarter than to give the GOP...
brush
May 2021
#247
Thanks for the reminder that Kamau Bell's new season begins tonight! (10:00 P.M., 9:00 Central)
bullwinkle428
May 2021
#259
Agreed it's a dumb slogan. I still think it's not smart for prominent progressives...
brush
May 2021
#274
This is a Democratic discussion board, even less likely to be viewed by undecideds...
brush
May 2021
#279
For fuck's sake, we could call it "buy more mac and cheese" and the frickin' Republicans
Cuthbert Allgood
May 2021
#283