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176. Oh, & Sen Warnock is Against "defunding the police"..
Sun May 2, 2021, 02:35 AM
May 2021
"These issues are tragic, and our law enforcement officers lay it on the line every day. They have an ally with me. I just think that you can affirm what law enforcement officers do and hold them accountable."

"I do not want to defund the police. And Kelly Loeffler knows it. But she keeps saying this because she wants to distract from her own record."

https://www.savannahnow.com/story/news/2020/12/07/georgia-senate-debate-kelly-loeffler-raphael-warnock-defunding-police-black-lives-matter/3859198001/
Not a fan of his. Treefrog May 2021 #1
Ok, but what do you feel about what the OP is about? brush May 2021 #5
I think he's wrong on this too. Treefrog May 2021 #209
I never had an opinion on him but after seeing his work here locally misanthrope May 2021 #13
"Defund the Police" Was A Gift to Republicans. It Cost Us Close House Elections That We Won in 2018. Indykatie May 2021 #2
Yes. That dumb phrase took off and it hurt us. brush May 2021 #4
Do you have any polling showing it cost us? Not polling of DTP popularity but polling that voters uponit7771 May 2021 #15
Come on...it hurt us. When people insist on polls, usually they know the truth. It hurts us Demsrule86 May 2021 #21
Facts matter, people get impressions that are wrong. For instance, slavery is still ... uponit7771 May 2021 #25
"due to bad campaigning not a slogan" hurl May 2021 #134
I'd agree with the 2nd sentence ... IF... the candidate ascribed to the slogan but few to no one uponit7771 May 2021 #136
Counter-attacks won't matter hurl May 2021 #137
Ask Trump if they work, if in kind and with merritt counters do work if the lie is caught quickly uponit7771 May 2021 #138
You are defending a campaign/policy slogan ... Whiskeytide May 2021 #152
Not defending the slogan, my position is 1. there's no exit polling or close to proof that it was uponit7771 May 2021 #155
Post removed Post removed May 2021 #162
Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position and even you agree that allowing reps to define ... uponit7771 May 2021 #168
That's all great advice, and I agree with your premise. But the slogan is still ... Whiskeytide May 2021 #289
What district do you live in? How did defund resonate there? caber09 May 2021 #161
Agreed, I don't need a study to know jumping off a roof is bad for me Amishman May 2021 #30
True, but to show it was a gating factor no one has done with anything empirical. One poster ... uponit7771 May 2021 #108
Stop denying what happened, you look foolish caber09 May 2021 #163
Accepting only anecdotes when hard evidence could be available is what's foolish uponit7771 May 2021 #180
Here's an article stating that polling shows it very much affected us. FlyingPiggy May 2021 #32
I thought this was common knowledge by now. nt Kahuna May 2021 #45
I think there are some who refuse to believe the power of wording FlyingPiggy May 2021 #62
It's knowledge.. it happened.. But some Cha May 2021 #72
Good article LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #54
... lapucelle May 2021 #185
Not an exit poll or anything close to it, got anything post election saying people didn't vote uponit7771 May 2021 #104
I'm old enough to recall myriad times republicans have turned Dem slogans against us bigtree May 2021 #201
+1000 StarfishSaver May 2021 #208
That is exactly what RW smear machine does. They attack everything. FlyingPiggy May 2021 #221
we 'help' them when we wring our hands and scold, instead of fighting back bigtree May 2021 #255
No one is scolding. They're saying the obvious that the wording FlyingPiggy May 2021 #257
all I can hear: bigtree May 2021 #261
A key excerpt from that article, in answer to those repeatedly saying "show us the polls...." George II May 2021 #218
Read the material posted on other threads LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #52
None of that is exit polling data etc. answer the question about the Biden and Beef for me uponit7771 May 2021 #53
Again you are wrong LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #55
Those aren't exit polls or post polling data, "These ads were effective" is an opinion not ... uponit7771 May 2021 #57
You really do not tire of being wrong? It is amusing LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #59
Do you understand what exit / post vote polling data is? thx in advance uponit7771 May 2021 #60
How 'Defund the Police' Roiled Competitive Races in New York LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #65
The article pins a lot of blame... tonedevil May 2021 #70
+1, the article is also very jaded seeing there was no national movement to dtp and few to no uponit7771 May 2021 #113
No. But clearly messaging is important. Drunken Irishman May 2021 #173
Who do you think started the riots? tonedevil May 2021 #177
In Kenosha? Probably local residents. Drunken Irishman May 2021 #244
That just tells who got arrested... tonedevil May 2021 #249
You asked the question. I answered it as best I could. Drunken Irishman May 2021 #252
I'm not disputing you... tonedevil May 2021 #254
Sigh, still no exit polling or anything like it... I'm done ...If you can't find the data no one can uponit7771 May 2021 #109
Do you tire of being wrong LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #114
Posting an article falsely claiming there was a nationwide move to defund the police is false ... uponit7771 May 2021 #115
You are not telling the truth LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #117
'Defund the Police' Backfired on Democrats LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #68
It doesn't matter how much anyone denies Cha May 2021 #76
This post gets my Rec. Thanks. Hekate May 2021 #78
Oh please with this. You're not the first one to try this weak argument here. brush May 2021 #69
I was kinda surprised too.. but Cha May 2021 #80
Hey, Cha. Good to hear from you. And you're right, not much surprises nowadays. brush May 2021 #86
You too, brush.. it's so frustrating to Cha May 2021 #97
No credible exit polls exist for dtp and not one has been shown so far. If dtp was such a gating ... uponit7771 May 2021 #106
Please! Other posters have sent you links proving dtp had a disastrous... brush May 2021 #118
They weren't exit polls or anything like it, please don't jump on band wagons without knowing why uponit7771 May 2021 #133
New Post-Election Poll Reveals How Democrats' Leftward Movement Cost the Party in the 2020 Election LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #87
There was no movement across the country to defund the police as this polls says this attempt uponit7771 May 2021 #103
Post removed Post removed May 2021 #164
Calling people stupid, foolish and telling them to shut up is probably not going to help StarfishSaver May 2021 #165
Post removed Post removed May 2021 #167
Sounds like you're having a pretty bad night. StarfishSaver May 2021 #169
Well yeah, you're right we should allow reps to define us first and falsely that worked great 🙄 uponit7771 May 2021 #171
When the Cooperative Congressional Election Study 2020 Data Guide is released lapucelle May 2021 #184
Please stop denying the obvious.. caber09 May 2021 #160
Anecdotes are not data uponit7771 May 2021 #172
Yes absolutely. Owl May 2021 #58
Yep. And this is what is being referred to as 'wokeness' redqueen May 2021 #276
This message was self-deleted by its author brush May 2021 #3
Stupid beyond belief oswaldactedalone May 2021 #6
Remake, Reshape, Reinvent, Transform, De-Militarise, Re-control, Refashion, Celerity May 2021 #12
None of that works...that will still be protrayed as defunding the police. We need to reform the Demsrule86 May 2021 #23
some of those terms are not loaded and are not the same old tired ass 'reform' bollocks that has Celerity May 2021 #24
Reform is a process and that is what is needed...not reforming police departments exactly. Demsrule86 May 2021 #27
I taked about nothing other than better branding so I do not know what you mean by this: Celerity May 2021 #29
What you say makes sense but, sorry, "reform" is played. It's tired as it's been slung about... brush May 2021 #75
Reform is a feelgood word that means nothing. StarfishSaver May 2021 #143
Good ones. I particullary like "reshape" and "Deracialize". brush May 2021 #99
Fuck the Police tonedevil May 2021 #7
Of course, but do you care to comment on the wisdom of the phrase "defund the police"... brush May 2021 #8
The cowardice of Democratic candidates... tonedevil May 2021 #9
Cowardice how? brush May 2021 #10
When Hillary Clinton said... tonedevil May 2021 #11
+1, ... they should've backed her up saying they're enabling an out and out racist, sexual ... uponit7771 May 2021 #17
Yep StarfishSaver May 2021 #48
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 ... and they show ... ***NO PROOF*** in any exit polling of voters that DTP was uponit7771 May 2021 #16
There is no proof, but since even our local Dem activists were questioning whether it meant... TreasonousBastard May 2021 #18
I agree with the poster that we should own the SENTIMENT and tell the nazi kkkons to fuck off uponit7771 May 2021 #19
If you are in the street... tonedevil May 2021 #63
This board is made up of activists with long histories of protesting in the streets so can the... brush May 2021 #102
I guess the protesters forgot... tonedevil May 2021 #105
Sigh StarfishSaver May 2021 #111
Brains (critcal thinking) can be a focus group on the fly at steet level. brush May 2021 #119
You just had to be there... tonedevil May 2021 #123
Been there and done that many times. Never thought up such a stupid slogan though. brush May 2021 #125
Good for you. /nt tonedevil May 2021 #126
Thank you StarfishSaver May 2021 #107
Somehow... tonedevil May 2021 #112
... but we'll let you know when it is. In the meantime, be careful not to annoy or offend us StarfishSaver May 2021 #116
"they are the cause of most of the violence." maybe you do have to explain? EX500rider May 2021 #146
Kamau Bell is an official of the Democratic Party? ChrisF1961 May 2021 #14
Wait...what? Where did anybody claim that W Camau Bell didn't have the right to express his opinion? lapucelle May 2021 #31
Counterproductive to whom? ChrisF1961 May 2021 #35
Pushing a misinterpreted slogan associated with the Democratic Party hurts Democrats. lapucelle May 2021 #40
Why is it associated with the Democratic Party? ChrisF1961 May 2021 #43
What are you talking about? N/T lapucelle May 2021 #47
You claimed ChrisF1961 May 2021 #61
Why would it matter whether Bell did that? lapucelle May 2021 #64
I'm talking about Bell ChrisF1961 May 2021 #66
Yes, I know, as is the OP. N/T lapucelle May 2021 #67
No the op is denouncing Bell ChrisF1961 May 2021 #74
OmG.. TY! Jeeze! Cha May 2021 #93
I know. lapucelle May 2021 #95
Hey Aloha!💙 Cha May 2021 #101
Huh? Were you asleep during the massive, worldwide protests last summer... brush May 2021 #82
So if the right wing media says something ChrisF1961 May 2021 #85
Dude, Please. No one here is saying it's true. It's how it affects voters. brush May 2021 #90
Why is it Bell's responsibility to affect voters? ChrisF1961 May 2021 #96
I see you're new to this. If you're a Democrat and want to see Democratic candidates... brush May 2021 #100
But Bell is not affiliated with the Democratic Party ChrisF1961 May 2021 #122
Who's censoring him? Just as he can, we can also express our opionions on dumb opinions. brush May 2021 #124
You are not the arbiter... tonedevil May 2021 #127
We alreay knew you were a defund the police fan. IMO it's the dumbest slogan ever. brush May 2021 #128
Express away... tonedevil May 2021 #129
There is a difference between calling ChrisF1961 May 2021 #130
Thank you StarfishSaver May 2021 #139
Huh? Kamau Bell is a well known progressive. brush May 2021 #233
So ChrisF1961 May 2021 #238
Please just stop you look foolish peddling your bs, go on keep costing us elections caber09 May 2021 #166
How is it BS to say that Bell is not ChrisF1961 May 2021 #179
Is that the only criteria for you, that one be an "official" or "spokesman" of the Democratic Party? George II May 2021 #204
Oh, come on. That's a weird defense. StarfishSaver May 2021 #207
Doubtful ChrisF1961 May 2021 #216
But is Bell a registered Democrat? ChrisF1961 May 2021 #215
Is he a registered Democrat? If so, he's "affiliated with the Democratic Party". George II May 2021 #205
But you don't know that he is, do you? StarfishSaver May 2021 #210
I have a Netflix membership ChrisF1961 May 2021 #217
Do you know his party registration? ChrisF1961 May 2021 #214
And even if he is a registered Dem, expressing his opinion on a topic is not speaking for the party StarfishSaver May 2021 #222
True ChrisF1961 May 2021 #224
Within minutes of that phrase being uttered, trump and the gop were on it. nt Kahuna May 2021 #265
Thank you StarfishSaver May 2021 #33
Yeah yeah.. and anyone can Disagree Cha May 2021 #83
Sure everyone is free to disagree ChrisF1961 May 2021 #88
I Disagree.. the OP is Right on Target! Cha May 2021 #98
So Bell shouldn't be allowed to express ChrisF1961 May 2021 #120
Sure, hey Fox, OAN, Newsmax, RT do it all the time. Budi May 2021 #223
As long as it's not a lie ChrisF1961 May 2021 #225
You're equating Bell expressing his opinion about DTP with what Fox, et al, do? StarfishSaver May 2021 #226
I'm equating the argument that Bell can say whatever, damaging or not, on a public forum,... Budi May 2021 #228
I'll bet you couldn't describe one other thing Bell has said or a position he's taken or whether StarfishSaver May 2021 #230
Well, it appears by the proof within this OP that Bell has indeed promoted ... Budi May 2021 #232
As I said, you can't come up with anything else that Bell has said that you're aware of StarfishSaver May 2021 #237
I don't care about what ELSE Bell says or does. I addressed the point of the OP Budi May 2021 #239
Losing house seats isn't as big of deal as not having a veto proof majority in the Senate AZProgressive May 2021 #20
Agreed Nexus2 May 2021 #22
Great policy ibegurpard May 2021 #26
What do *you* think this man, a professional communicator, should say instead? WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #28
One would hope that a "professional communicator" would say something more incisive and lapucelle May 2021 #34
That's perfection, actually. WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #36
It's ageist. There's no "perfection" in dismissing a demographic known for showing up at the polls. lapucelle May 2021 #38
James Carville is a whole demographic? WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #39
"Grandpa" represents a major demographic. lapucelle May 2021 #41
You haven't figured it out yet? StarfishSaver May 2021 #49
Yep, especially if they agree with him. WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #50
Exactly. I was watching that CNN segment on "wokeness," and Carville's Kahuna May 2021 #269
He is not a professional POLITICAL communicator. He identifies as a comic. nt Kahuna May 2021 #266
Right, but that's still communication, and comics often use politics in their work. WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #267
So. I use computers in my work. That doesn't make me a programmer. nt Kahuna May 2021 #268
I mean...the guy's been talking about politics for quite some time. WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #272
I wonder, how can our side watch every single thing we say Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #37
Never heard of him and as stated above, "Defund the Police" was a gift to Republicans. SMC22307 May 2021 #42
What's so tough about saying "Re-allocate law enforcement funding" instead? Paladin May 2021 #44
In case you didn't notice, even saying that Cuthbert Allgood May 2021 #280
I'm going to be honest, so forgive me. Oneironaut May 2021 #46
All the reasons Democrats say they did poorly down ballot LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #56
It started in street protests... tonedevil May 2021 #71
That's the problem, though, imo. Oneironaut May 2021 #81
PR firms... tonedevil May 2021 #89
"Reform the police" doesn't say any more "Defund the Police" StarfishSaver May 2021 #91
I don't agree Oneironaut May 2021 #131
Once "reform the police" is explained and people believe it's more than a bs.slogan StarfishSaver May 2021 #132
We don't agree on what DTP means. It literally means no money for police. brush May 2021 #140
I don't think "defund" necessarily means to completely eliminate funding StarfishSaver May 2021 #144
Defund the police doesn't mean take funding away from police? brush May 2021 #149
"Taking funds away" is not the same as reducing or diverting the funding StarfishSaver May 2021 #151
Sentient, thinking people get nuance. I know all that, as do you, but you know... brush May 2021 #153
It's not up to Black and Brown people to dummy everything down for ignorant white people with StarfishSaver May 2021 #154
I hope what you say in your last graph happens because the elections are so close... brush May 2021 #156
That's what people always say when trying to justify telling Black and Brown people we have to StarfishSaver May 2021 #157
Allies knowing how to help is a good thing. It's tangential to the DTP. brush May 2021 #158
Too many allies spend too much time and effort telling Black and Brown people what we're doing StarfishSaver May 2021 #159
I'll ask this again what district are you in and how did dtp resonate there? caber09 May 2021 #170
There is an old saying in politics.... Happy Hoosier May 2021 #271
Ok. StarfishSaver May 2021 #273
Why 'Defund The Police' Attacks Were So Potent Against Democrats LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #51
I don't see how this even matters... Humanist_Activist May 2021 #186
This ads worked because the GOP could point to prominent members of the Squad LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #187
Most of the gains we made in 2018 were due to historic increase in voter participation... Humanist_Activist May 2021 #189
THANK YOU !!! If it wasn't dtp it would've been Biden hates beef or Socialism or any other ... uponit7771 May 2021 #206
I think the issues are that both parties are somewhat of a mess right now.... Humanist_Activist May 2021 #213
Bell is a total moron. BannonsLiver May 2021 #73
I wonder when was the last time anyone on DU quoted anything Kamau Bell had to say StarfishSaver May 2021 #77
I do not know who Kamu Bell is and I am not interested enough to try to find out LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #79
Such refreshing incuriosity. /nt tonedevil May 2021 #84
I am more worried about the Texas legis efforts to suppress the vote LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #92
Non sequitur... tonedevil May 2021 #94
Hunh? StarfishSaver May 2021 #110
I posted it because I couldn't believe another woke (uh-oh, another wording turned into a hot-) brush May 2021 #141
Maybe because, as you well know, Black people don't all think alike StarfishSaver May 2021 #142
Oh, no? Not you... brush May 2021 #178
I don't think it's a good slogan StarfishSaver May 2021 #183
+1 bigtree May 2021 #192
Just about everything you write is true, except it not being a vote loser. brush May 2021 #229
There are lots of reasons we nearly lost the Blue Wave advantage in the House, etc. StarfishSaver May 2021 #234
Let's just agee to disagree. brush May 2021 #235
"Blaming it on "Defund the Police" is a lazy excuse." THANK YOU !!! Warnock and Osoff won with uponit7771 May 2021 #241
BINGO !!! Few people are defending the slogan but to say it killed us down ballot is an excuse .. uponit7771 May 2021 #236
Well, Pres Obama thinks "defund the police" is a Bad Slogan.. & Cha May 2021 #174
There's a difference between a phrase that no campaign adopted being a "bad slogan" StarfishSaver May 2021 #195
Oh, & Sen Warnock is Against "defunding the police".. Cha May 2021 #176
exactly bigtree May 2021 #191
Thank you. StarfishSaver May 2021 #193
worse bigtree May 2021 #194
It's ridiculous, isn't it? StarfishSaver May 2021 #196
republicanism is a discredited ideology bigtree May 2021 #197
And it's a strategy many Democrats are all too happy to play into StarfishSaver May 2021 #202
+1, I think the bigger issue is the "demanding less" on the issue of policing is done so the ingroup uponit7771 May 2021 #240
If We Don't KEEP the House & Senate We Cha May 2021 #121
He already did ffs 🙄 Arazi May 2021 #147
Sen Warnock does "NOT Want to Defund the Police" Cha May 2021 #175
Neither did 99.9% of all dem candidates but somehow that slogan was blamed for their losses ... uponit7771 May 2021 #182
Again, your lack of experience in working on campaigns in the real world is sad LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #188
WHOA !!! From your second link ... now lets talk. uponit7771 May 2021 #200
LOL thank you for confirming yet again that you do not understand how campaigns work LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #212
Done, wont answer simplest question & your condescension is childish. Please post to someone else uponit7771 May 2021 #227
LOL I answered your silly question but evidently I was not clear LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #242
More derision, you must have had a lot tied up in the dtp losing down ballot races analysis cause uponit7771 May 2021 #245
Read the poll or have someone read it and explain it to you LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #253
Did you read the article? You are misquoting this article is a very deceptive manner LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #263
Oh.. "sharp rebuke".! Pres Obama is a Winner Cha May 2021 #220
Senator Warnoch does NOT Believe in "defunding Cha May 2021 #219
... and neither did the other down ballot dems that lost. My point is weak messaging and unclear uponit7771 May 2021 #231
However did Warnock and Ossoff win their Senate races with Defund The Police around their neck?! Arazi May 2021 #135
Thank you StarfishSaver May 2021 #145
Yup. This outrage that black people aren't protesting "right" is an insult Arazi May 2021 #148
They're "throwing down the gauntlet" because they don't want to actually address the real problem StarfishSaver May 2021 #150
omg THANK YOU !! Also, when I ask people about EMPIRICAL evidence that it cost us down ballot ... uponit7771 May 2021 #181
We can be smarter than to give the GOP such a gift to use against our candidates. brush May 2021 #251
your words have consequences, too bigtree May 2021 #190
In some quarters, only white people are allowed to criticize words StarfishSaver May 2021 #198
I daresay, this in a time when those black voices and votes have been paramount bigtree May 2021 #199
Black and Brown voters break our necks to vote StarfishSaver May 2021 #203
agree completely, SS bigtree May 2021 #211
I gave context. He had a video on with a chart showing how "reallocating" police finds... brush May 2021 #248
so you agree with his policy bigtree May 2021 #256
Who on DU doesn't agree with reallocating funds to stop killer cops? brush May 2021 #258
the 'gift' in this case is the bevy of Democrats who can't stop scolding people who say 'defund' bigtree May 2021 #260
How silly, as if Democrats paid for the myraid of negative ads republicans used to win... brush May 2021 #262
people who vote based on opposition that slogan are idiots bigtree May 2021 #264
Sorry you don't like the phrase, but it needs to happen. dilby May 2021 #243
And the pushback ALWAYS is against the voices and messaging of the oppressed StarfishSaver May 2021 #246
I'm as against killer cops as anyone but we have to be smarter than to give the GOP... brush May 2021 #247
Sen Warnock is Against "Defunding the Police".. Cha May 2021 #250
Thanks for the reminder that Kamau Bell's new season begins tonight! (10:00 P.M., 9:00 Central) bullwinkle428 May 2021 #259
This entire debate is beyond stupid EffieBlack May 2021 #270
Agreed it's a dumb slogan. I still think it's not smart for prominent progressives... brush May 2021 #274
Nothing Kamau Bell says on television is "a huge loser." StarfishSaver May 2021 #275
This is a Democratic discussion board, even less likely to be viewed by undecideds... brush May 2021 #279
Bell has a right to free speech ChrisF1961 May 2021 #278
Ok, ok. How many times are you going to post the same thing? brush May 2021 #281
As many times as it takes ChrisF1961 May 2021 #282
Does it seem like it's working to you? brush May 2021 #284
Defending people's right to free speech ChrisF1961 May 2021 #286
Well said ChrisF1961 May 2021 #277
For fuck's sake, we could call it "buy more mac and cheese" and the frickin' Republicans Cuthbert Allgood May 2021 #283
Thank you StarfishSaver May 2021 #285
How about tying "insurrectionist party" 24-7 around the necks of all GOP candidates... brush May 2021 #287
I can tell you why my rep lost her seat Bettie May 2021 #288
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