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It only matters until we have super majority in the Senate, and the House msfiddlestix Apr 2021 #1
That's what we're always told StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author caber09 Apr 2021 #18
We don't need ALL working class white voters. Beastly Boy Apr 2021 #25
I didn't say these voters hate Black and Brown voters, so let's smack that strawman down right away StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #26
You are fighting a majorly losing battle here... caber09 Apr 2021 #31
You are avoiding my questions. Beastly Boy Apr 2021 #35
In my view, the most important thing that people like Carville and other white progressives can do StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #37
With all due rrespect, the responsibility for explaining "wokefullness" to white working class voter Beastly Boy Apr 2021 #41
No, it's not our responsibility. StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #42
This is where I disagree. Beastly Boy Apr 2021 #46
Is there a survey somwhere Mossfern May 2021 #97
I can't get past the header... msfiddlestix Apr 2021 #28
So, you want to disenfranchise people Mossfern May 2021 #95
Not sure how you got from my posts that I want to disenfranchise anyone because they're white StarfishSaver May 2021 #96
I don't fit your Demands. pwb Apr 2021 #2
100 percent agree Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 2021 #11
Wow what a terrible post... caber09 Apr 2021 #3
Agreed - we are ALL in this together. Merlot Apr 2021 #4
Plus one questionseverything Apr 2021 #8
Agreed, it's ignorant and the OP doesn't get what Carville was saying themaguffin May 2021 #86
I agree with the first part. Phoenix61 Apr 2021 #5
You think Joe would be President now and Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #6
They wouldn't be there without black and brown voters either StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #15
Who's giving a higher priority? Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #17
+100 caber09 Apr 2021 #19
When we're told we need to abandon weakness because moderate white voters don't like it StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #21
"The Democratic Party's future is black, brown, urban, and LGBTQIA." Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #24
Yes, and? Humanist_Activist Apr 2021 #36
Can you please say this again, louder? StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #38
Yes, everybody who sees things differently from you Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #40
Words are great, but illustrations are even more helpful StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #44
Yeah, what a tactic.. if you can't Cha Apr 2021 #51
That shit is getting old. Haggard Celine Apr 2021 #52
Yeah, Divisive as hell. When Cha Apr 2021 #53
Is it any more divisive than trying to police how many black people speak about issues? n/t Humanist_Activist May 2021 #91
Here's how Sen Warnoch speaks about "Defunding the Cha May 2021 #94
He's a politician, and cops aren't even in the top 20 of the most dangerous jobs in the country... Humanist_Activist May 2021 #104
Yes, Sen Warnach is an Excellent Politician Cha May 2021 #114
When that POV is based on lack of knowledge, and just unjustified grievances, hell yes! n/t Humanist_Activist May 2021 #92
+1, ... and supporting the "stop using those words" side of bad campaigners uponit7771 Apr 2021 #56
I most definitely does matter. Dream Girl Apr 2021 #7
Many of our elections swing on narrow margins... Silent3 Apr 2021 #9
There's a difference between fighting to get their vote and kicking the base to the curb in order to StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #16
Which is why it's always a delicate balancing act Silent3 Apr 2021 #27
Telling Black and Brown voters to abandon their approach ro appease white voters isn't "balance" StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #29
That's how you've obviously decided to interpret his words Silent3 Apr 2021 #30
How are they incorrect, he's literally whitesplaining, trying to police what Black people say... Humanist_Activist May 2021 #90
Carville's words seem to me more aimed at white people... Silent3 May 2021 #102
Define what the "woke olympics" are, can you? Humanist_Activist May 2021 #103
Take for example Governor Northam Silent3 May 2021 #120
That's virtue signalling, you're mixing up terms here. NT Humanist_Activist May 2021 #123
I'm not mixing up terms, I'm covering the bases of what the term "woke" has come to mean Silent3 May 2021 #124
Some commentary by Maya Binyam Silent3 May 2021 #121
Uhm, in 2008 "stay woke" had a meaning, to mostly communities... Humanist_Activist May 2021 #122
Well said.. Mahalo, Silent! Cha May 2021 #115
I agree that it is not worthwhile to try to appease them... Blasphemer Apr 2021 #10
Follow Carville's 'advice' to a 'T' and we run the party right into the ground Celerity Apr 2021 #12
THANK YOU!! joetheman Apr 2021 #13
Call me Hispanic, Latino or Mexican American SilasSouleII Apr 2021 #20
Because it's woke redqueen May 2021 #106
So you would exclude suburban Jews, Hispanics, and Asians from the democratic party cinematicdiversions Apr 2021 #22
I'm going to miss... Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2021 #23
The Democratic Party's future is Black, Brown, Urban, LGBTQIA... I don't agree with that In It to Win It Apr 2021 #32
Funny you mention this misanthrope Apr 2021 #33
Gotta point out: diversity still includes whites. n/t Beartracks Apr 2021 #34
I am a P.O.C. that dislikes and tries to avoid the term P.O.C. as well as Latinx, etc. Nexus2 Apr 2021 #39
I have always wondered why People of Color is less offensive than colored people. milestogo May 2021 #89
That's the thing. It soumds like there are two groups of humans: White people and -everything- else Nexus2 May 2021 #126
climate change denying pickup truck drivers aren't going to abandon them for mass transit. BGBD Apr 2021 #43
Personally, i don't think that's enough for us to win elections in the near term. Calista241 Apr 2021 #45
You really brought out... tonedevil Apr 2021 #47
Why is it Mossfern May 2021 #98
I try to use it.. tonedevil May 2021 #99
I generally like Carville Mad_Machine76 Apr 2021 #48
IOW.. abandon the rest of the party? Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2021 #49
HISPANICS ARE ABOUT 17%, AND SOMEWHERE AROUND 1/3 to 1/2 ARE WHITE. Hortensis May 2021 #81
Fine points. So you think the people who are trying to pit one Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #83
Mostly stirring up R-on-L antagonism, right? Because that's where Hortensis May 2021 #93
I think you've got the correct answer!!! And, don't fall for the bait Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #118
But fanning resentment and divisions among some opponents is so EASY! Hortensis May 2021 #119
Can not think of better words but "get it" and love your post nt Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #125
Carville wasn't right. He doesn't know what "woke" means. maxsolomon Apr 2021 #50
Thank you StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #54
I came up with a new slogan: DEFLATE THE POLICE maxsolomon Apr 2021 #55
Of course Carville doesn't know what "woke" means! That was his entire point. Beastly Boy Apr 2021 #57
I didn't say that Academic Jargon wasn't a thing. maxsolomon Apr 2021 #58
My sympathies for having to deal with academic jargon on a daily basis. Beastly Boy Apr 2021 #59
I find the "academic jargon" to be a version of "they're so elitist" reverse classicism that StarfishSaver May 2021 #64
This is an interesting angle. Beastly Boy May 2021 #65
What's academic about "woke"? StarfishSaver May 2021 #66
Absolutely nothing, and I appreciate the question. Beastly Boy May 2021 #69
There are PLENTY of white people who DO understand it. They should explain it to other white people StarfishSaver May 2021 #71
I am skeptical about how "plenty" translates into numeric terms. Beastly Boy May 2021 #73
You or I speaking our minds and sharing views on DU is expressing an opinion StarfishSaver May 2021 #75
I just went through the trouble of re-reading the Carville inteerview. Beastly Boy May 2021 #77
We're obviously not going to have a meeting of the minds on this StarfishSaver May 2021 #78
Terrific. In this case, Carville gets the entirety of your benefit of doubt. Beastly Boy May 2021 #80
A lot of black and brown people don't want to be 'educated' by white saviors. redqueen May 2021 #108
What? Who said anything about Black and Brown people being educated by white people? StarfishSaver May 2021 #110
And the black and brown and yellow people who don't like wokeness? redqueen May 2021 #111
That's not what Carville said. He said "Wokeness is the problem and everyone knows it" StarfishSaver May 2021 #112
You keep talking about white people like they're the only ones redqueen May 2021 #113
You really need to pay attention to the topic of conversation if you're going to join in StarfishSaver May 2021 #116
Trump got more votes from both Black and Latino voters redqueen May 2021 #117
"Wokeness is a problem and we all know it." StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #60
Paying attention to context is important. Beastly Boy May 2021 #61
Context is important. That's why I quoted the whole quote that you left out StarfishSaver May 2021 #62
superb rebuttal, and I agree, he is not just whingeing on about the word 'woke' he has Celerity May 2021 #63
I am afraid you are giving Carville too much credit and reading too deeply into his mind. Beastly Boy May 2021 #67
Carville's not stupid and he's not naive StarfishSaver May 2021 #68
I will give you this. Beastly Boy May 2021 #70
He said in plain English "Wokeness is the problem" StarfishSaver May 2021 #72
We are running in circles here. Beastly Boy May 2021 #74
Not a good analogy. Red lights are a thing not an approach or a principle StarfishSaver May 2021 #76
Most (80% or so) DEMS I know in the real world, not online social media warriors HATE "wokeness" krawhitham May 2021 #79
Is this a racially diverse group? StarfishSaver May 2021 #82
Also, do they mean they hate the word/label or the concept? Celerity May 2021 #87
Good question StarfishSaver May 2021 #88
+1000000 Celerity May 2021 #100
I know people who hate the term "Woke" or "Wokeness" Bettie May 2021 #107
Same. And yes they're racially diverse. nt redqueen May 2021 #109
As it always is, a term has been corrupted by the extremes. Drunken Irishman May 2021 #84
Thank you so much for this post StarfishSaver May 2021 #85
+10000000000000000 Celerity May 2021 #101
What? You are saying it's the right wing that is starting this? Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #105
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