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In reply to the discussion: Why I know there's something to UFOs. [View all]Kid Berwyn
(17,328 posts)8. Jacques Vallee also says the extraterrestrial hypothesis is inadequate.
From (sorry, Never Old or In the Way) Wikipedia:
Vallée's opposition to the ETH theory is summarised in his paper, "Five Arguments Against the Extraterrestrial Origin of Unidentified Flying Objects", Journal of Scientific Exploration, 1990:
Scientific opinion has generally followed public opinion in the belief that unidentified flying objects either do not exist (the "natural phenomena hypothesis" or, if they do, must represent evidence of a visitation by some advanced race of space travellers (the extraterrestrial hypothesis or "ETH" .
It is the view of the author that research on UFOs need not be restricted to these two alternatives. On the contrary, the accumulated data base exhibits several patterns tending to indicate that UFOs are real, represent a previously unrecognized phenomenon, and that the facts do not support the common concept of "space visitors". Five specific arguments articulated here contradict the ETH:
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vallée
Vallee applied information science to the phenomenon. He wrote the data show a more complicated explanation than extraterrestrial hypothesis. While he would be disappointed if UFOs turned out to be alien visitors, he fears humanity may get the visitors we deserve.
Vallée's opposition to the ETH theory is summarised in his paper, "Five Arguments Against the Extraterrestrial Origin of Unidentified Flying Objects", Journal of Scientific Exploration, 1990:
Scientific opinion has generally followed public opinion in the belief that unidentified flying objects either do not exist (the "natural phenomena hypothesis" or, if they do, must represent evidence of a visitation by some advanced race of space travellers (the extraterrestrial hypothesis or "ETH" .
It is the view of the author that research on UFOs need not be restricted to these two alternatives. On the contrary, the accumulated data base exhibits several patterns tending to indicate that UFOs are real, represent a previously unrecognized phenomenon, and that the facts do not support the common concept of "space visitors". Five specific arguments articulated here contradict the ETH:
1. unexplained close encounters are far more numerous than required for any physical survey of the earth;
2. the humanoid body structure of the alleged "aliens" is not likely to have originated on another planet and is not biologically adapted to space travel;
3. the reported behavior in thousands of abduction reports contradicts the hypothesis of genetic or scientific experimentation on humans by an advanced race;
4. the extension of the phenomenon throughout recorded human history demonstrates that UFOs are not a contemporary phenomenon; and
5. the apparent ability of UFOs to manipulate space and time suggests radically different and richer alternatives.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vallée
Vallee applied information science to the phenomenon. He wrote the data show a more complicated explanation than extraterrestrial hypothesis. While he would be disappointed if UFOs turned out to be alien visitors, he fears humanity may get the visitors we deserve.
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You'll know the mother ship when you see it, it'll be hanging in the air the way that bricks don't.
Towlie
May 2021
#7
Great record of the long history, written a decade before "Messengers of Deception."
Kid Berwyn
May 2021
#50
Would be a mistake to apply the typical alien movie narrative to whatever is going on.
BannonsLiver
May 2021
#16
If there was some department in the government that really know about the UFOs
captain queeg
May 2021
#2
You're right, this was just a 'show' and no way was really going to reveal anything of importance.
SWBTATTReg
May 2022
#89
I once saw something similar but with multiple lights looking like stars zig zagging
BSdetect
May 2021
#40
I think Clarke's three laws apply if we're going to speculate on what extraterrestrial
highplainsdem
May 2021
#15
Think about the technology we had on earth just 150 years ago compared to today. Then what
doc03
May 2021
#21
Here is an honest theory about UFOs..Yes there is a strong possibility of some alien race exceeding
Stuart G
May 2021
#23
How do we know that these things are not just debris that enters the earth all the time?
Maraya1969
May 2021
#24
I think you run into a problem when you use Trump to norm-reference human behavior
Bucky
May 2021
#35
Who has more credibility? The fool who is the most prolific liar in US history,
Roisin Ni Fiachra
May 2021
#51
There are no UFOs as stupid trump thinks. He is fooling you all to make you think
akbacchus_BC
May 2021
#52
We live in a time where there are high def cameras in literally everyone's pocket.
Dave Starsky
May 2021
#53
"But people are saying they're seeing UFOs. Do I believe it? Not particularly."
Caliman73
May 2021
#56
Definitely. Science, even with its flaws, is the best method that humans have of discovering fact.
Caliman73
May 2021
#70
Check out today's (Friday, May 28) POLITICO mag, then go through the thread.
Kid Berwyn
May 2021
#86