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In reply to the discussion: Why I know there's something to UFOs. [View all]Kid Berwyn
(17,409 posts)57. He had a PhD in astronomy from U Chicago...
The late Father of UFOlogy, in his own words:
CLOSE ENCOUNTER WITH DR. J. ALLEN HYNEK
By Dennis Stacy
An Interview With The Dean, 1985
Re-Edited for CUFON by Dale Goudie 1991
For over two decades, from 1948 to 1969, Dr. J. Allen Hynek was a consultant in astronomy to the United States Air Force. The subject of his advice, however, was not the fledgling space program or even the moon and stars above, but Unidentified Flying Objects. In 1973 he founded the Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) and had serves as Director and editor of its journal, "International UFO Reporter."
STACY: Dr. Hynek, as a scientist, you go back as far with UFO phenomenon as probably anyone alive today. Exactly how did that relationship begin?
HYNEK: That's an easy story to tell. In the spring of 1948, I was teaching astronomy at Ohio State University, in Columbus. One day thee men, and they weren't dressed in black, came over to see me from Wright Patterson Air Force Base in nearby Dayton. They started out by talking about the weather, as I remember, and this and that, and then finally one of them asked me what I thought about flying saucers. I told them I thought they were a lot of junk and nonsense and that seemed to please them, so they got down to business. They said they needed some astronomical consultation because it was their job to find out what these flying saucer stories were all about.
Some were meteors, they thought, others stars and so on, so they could use an astronomer. What the hell, I said, it sounded like fun and besides, I would be getting a top secret security clearance out of it, too. At that time, it was called Project Sign, and some of the personnel at least were taking the problem quite seriously. At the same time a big split was occurring in the Air Force between two schools of thought. The serious school prepared an estimation of the situation which they sent to General Vandenburg, but the other side eventually won out and the serious ones were shipped off to other places. The negatives won the day, in other words.
My own investigations for Project Sign added to that, too, I think, because I was quite negative in most of my evaluations. I stretched far to give something a natural explanation, sometimes when it may not have really had it. I remember one case from Snake River Canyon, I think it was, where a man and his two sons saw a metallic object come swirling down the canyon which caused the top of the trees to sway. In my attempt to find a natural explanation for it, I said that it was some sort of atmospheric eddy. Of course, I had never seen an eddy like that and had no real reason to believe that one even existed. But I was so anxious to find a natural explanation because I was convinced that it had to have one that, naturally, I did in fact, it wasn't until quite some time had passed that I began to change my mind.
STACY: Was there ever any direct pressure applied by the Air Force itself for you to come up with a conventional explanation to these phenomena?
HYNEK: There was an implied pressure, yes, very definitely.
Continues...
https://www.cufon.org/cufon/hynekint.htm
A great man, stood up for truth. Regarding swamp gas, I cut him some slack. He had undergone major oral surgery the day before getting called in to stamp out the flap in Michigan.
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You'll know the mother ship when you see it, it'll be hanging in the air the way that bricks don't.
Towlie
May 2021
#7
Great record of the long history, written a decade before "Messengers of Deception."
Kid Berwyn
May 2021
#50
Would be a mistake to apply the typical alien movie narrative to whatever is going on.
BannonsLiver
May 2021
#16
If there was some department in the government that really know about the UFOs
captain queeg
May 2021
#2
You're right, this was just a 'show' and no way was really going to reveal anything of importance.
SWBTATTReg
May 2022
#89
I once saw something similar but with multiple lights looking like stars zig zagging
BSdetect
May 2021
#40
I think Clarke's three laws apply if we're going to speculate on what extraterrestrial
highplainsdem
May 2021
#15
Think about the technology we had on earth just 150 years ago compared to today. Then what
doc03
May 2021
#21
Here is an honest theory about UFOs..Yes there is a strong possibility of some alien race exceeding
Stuart G
May 2021
#23
How do we know that these things are not just debris that enters the earth all the time?
Maraya1969
May 2021
#24
I think you run into a problem when you use Trump to norm-reference human behavior
Bucky
May 2021
#35
Who has more credibility? The fool who is the most prolific liar in US history,
Roisin Ni Fiachra
May 2021
#51
There are no UFOs as stupid trump thinks. He is fooling you all to make you think
akbacchus_BC
May 2021
#52
We live in a time where there are high def cameras in literally everyone's pocket.
Dave Starsky
May 2021
#53
"But people are saying they're seeing UFOs. Do I believe it? Not particularly."
Caliman73
May 2021
#56
Definitely. Science, even with its flaws, is the best method that humans have of discovering fact.
Caliman73
May 2021
#70
Check out today's (Friday, May 28) POLITICO mag, then go through the thread.
Kid Berwyn
May 2021
#86