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Kid Berwyn

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57. He had a PhD in astronomy from U Chicago...
Mon May 24, 2021, 08:32 PM
May 2021

The late Father of UFOlogy, in his own words:



CLOSE ENCOUNTER WITH DR. J. ALLEN HYNEK

By Dennis Stacy
An Interview With The Dean, 1985
Re-Edited for CUFON by Dale Goudie 1991

For over two decades, from 1948 to 1969, Dr. J. Allen Hynek was a consultant in astronomy to the United States Air Force. The subject of his advice, however, was not the fledgling space program or even the moon and stars above, but Unidentified Flying Objects. In 1973 he founded the Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) and had serves as Director and editor of its journal, "International UFO Reporter."

STACY: Dr. Hynek, as a scientist, you go back as far with UFO phenomenon as probably anyone alive today. Exactly how did that relationship begin?

HYNEK: That's an easy story to tell. In the spring of 1948, I was teaching astronomy at Ohio State University, in Columbus. One day thee men, and they weren't dressed in black, came over to see me from Wright Patterson Air Force Base in nearby Dayton. They started out by talking about the weather, as I remember, and this and that, and then finally one of them asked me what I thought about flying saucers. I told them I thought they were a lot of junk and nonsense and that seemed to please them, so they got down to business. They said they needed some astronomical consultation because it was their job to find out what these flying saucer stories were all about.

Some were meteors, they thought, others stars and so on, so they could use an astronomer. What the hell, I said, it sounded like fun and besides, I would be getting a top secret security clearance out of it, too. At that time, it was called Project Sign, and some of the personnel at least were taking the problem quite seriously. At the same time a big split was occurring in the Air Force between two schools of thought. The serious school prepared an estimation of the situation which they sent to General Vandenburg, but the other side eventually won out and the serious ones were shipped off to other places. The negatives won the day, in other words.

My own investigations for Project Sign added to that, too, I think, because I was quite negative in most of my evaluations. I stretched far to give something a natural explanation, sometimes when it may not have really had it. I remember one case from Snake River Canyon, I think it was, where a man and his two sons saw a metallic object come swirling down the canyon which caused the top of the trees to sway. In my attempt to find a natural explanation for it, I said that it was some sort of atmospheric eddy. Of course, I had never seen an eddy like that and had no real reason to believe that one even existed. But I was so anxious to find a natural explanation because I was convinced that it had to have one that, naturally, I did in fact, it wasn't until quite some time had passed that I began to change my mind.

STACY: Was there ever any direct pressure applied by the Air Force itself for you to come up with a conventional explanation to these phenomena?

HYNEK: There was an implied pressure, yes, very definitely.

Continues...

https://www.cufon.org/cufon/hynekint.htm



A great man, stood up for truth. Regarding “swamp gas,” I cut him some slack. He had undergone major oral surgery the day before getting called in to stamp out the flap in Michigan.
Here's the thing. OAITW r.2.0 May 2021 #1
Why would you assume they need one? Happy Hoosier May 2021 #6
You'll know the mother ship when you see it, it'll be hanging in the air the way that bricks don't. Towlie May 2021 #7
Jacques Vallee also says the extraterrestrial hypothesis is inadequate. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #8
I was just re-reading Passport To Magonia (1969) this morning. Midnight Writer May 2021 #18
Great record of the long history, written a decade before "Messengers of Deception." Kid Berwyn May 2021 #50
Would be a mistake to apply the typical alien movie narrative to whatever is going on. BannonsLiver May 2021 #16
They could be interdimensional Generic Brad May 2021 #27
Why do you assume they are terrestrial? elevator May 2021 #32
Not sure where it is right now... tonedevil May 2021 #34
The mother shop will be in Detroit June 14th 48656c6c6f20 May 2021 #39
All from Monroe, Michigan would be there if we could. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #45
If there was some department in the government that really know about the UFOs captain queeg May 2021 #2
Excellent points, Captain. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #11
Broken clock. edhopper May 2021 #3
What if the clock is broken, yet runs? Kid Berwyn May 2021 #13
Vallee certainly is. edhopper May 2021 #14
He's got a PhD in computer science from Northwestern. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #20
Using Hynek as a recommendation edhopper May 2021 #41
He had a PhD in astronomy from U Chicago... Kid Berwyn May 2021 #57
I am well aware of who they are edhopper May 2021 #58
Why do you write that? Kid Berwyn May 2021 #61
Carl Sagan edhopper May 2021 #62
Pioneer 10 Kid Berwyn May 2021 #67
Biden just said something like "ask Obama" when asked about UFO's Polybius May 2021 #4
Fox Noise reporter asked, President Biden responded... Kid Berwyn May 2021 #19
Reid, was a smart man and I daresay, far ahead on this issue to SWBTATTReg May 2022 #87
I believe today's hearings accomplished their primary goal. Kid Berwyn May 2022 #88
You're right, this was just a 'show' and no way was really going to reveal anything of importance. SWBTATTReg May 2022 #89
The one I saw has not been duplicated as far as I know. Kingofalldems May 2021 #5
Sounds like what I saw in Texas in 1964 left-of-center2012 May 2021 #17
I had an uncle in Ohio who saw that phenomena around 1925 Captain Zero May 2021 #38
Pretty much what I saw. Kingofalldems May 2021 #43
Close Encounter I Kid Berwyn May 2021 #30
It was dark pretty much. Kingofalldems May 2021 #42
You're going to need ... Xoan May 2021 #9
What Navy personnel photographed... Kid Berwyn May 2021 #37
OK, I've got 2 UFO stories Trailrider1951 May 2021 #10
Please report these to MUFON Beaverhausen May 2021 #25
I once saw something similar but with multiple lights looking like stars zig zagging BSdetect May 2021 #40
Goodyear blimp has caused many a report. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #44
Who or what could survive the great distances they would need to travel. rickford66 May 2021 #12
I think Clarke's three laws apply if we're going to speculate on what extraterrestrial highplainsdem May 2021 #15
"What can be conceived, can be created." -- Enzo Ferrari Kid Berwyn May 2021 #48
Think about the technology we had on earth just 150 years ago compared to today. Then what doc03 May 2021 #21
Technological progress seems to be accelerating. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #54
Man I wish Frank Zappa were still alive! Initech May 2021 #22
Me, too. Every day. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #55
Here is an honest theory about UFOs..Yes there is a strong possibility of some alien race exceeding Stuart G May 2021 #23
Ok, I'm sold, I'll believe anything from now on! Nt USALiberal May 2021 #63
I don't know what UFOs are or if anything is possible. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #64
How do we know that these things are not just debris that enters the earth all the time? Maraya1969 May 2021 #24
UFOs as alien spacecraft really doesn't explain things. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #68
Early in my lifetime, computers were a dream...Sci Fiction.. Stuart G May 2021 #26
A police officer I worked with for years told me something amazing... Kid Berwyn May 2021 #72
The Known Universe Is Enormous colsohlibgal May 2021 #28
I agree completely...The thought that it is only us.."ludicrous" Stuart G May 2021 #31
Very few people claim "it's only us" brooklynite May 2021 #49
Passport to Magonia Kid Berwyn May 2021 #85
Another possibility. roamer65 May 2021 #29
Black holes as an "EXIT" from one Space-Time to another. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #71
Pffft that's not a UFO, that's Batman. Volaris May 2021 #33
A Poem Kid Berwyn May 2021 #76
I think you run into a problem when you use Trump to norm-reference human behavior Bucky May 2021 #35
Compared to everyone else, Trump is the bottom of the barrel. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #77
You can't prove a negative. ananda May 2021 #36
Logically so. However, there are tapes. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #78
Tapes mean nothing. ananda May 2021 #80
Tapes and photographs are evidence. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #82
I tried. Lord knows I tried. Iggo May 2021 #46
I know. And I appreciate it. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #79
The real reason Trump was dismissive about UFOs: area51 May 2021 #47
The Thing Kid Berwyn May 2021 #73
Who has more credibility? The fool who is the most prolific liar in US history, Roisin Ni Fiachra May 2021 #51
Absolutely credible USN witnesses. Truly fascinating reports, theirs. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #74
There are no UFOs as stupid trump thinks. He is fooling you all to make you think akbacchus_BC May 2021 #52
Harry Reid in May 21 NYT wrote there is something to it. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #81
We live in a time where there are high def cameras in literally everyone's pocket. Dave Starsky May 2021 #53
Have you ever tried to film a plane or chopper? ecstatic May 2021 #65
Still not buying it. Dave Starsky May 2021 #66
+1000!!! Silly people believe bad proof! Nt USALiberal May 2021 #75
Some of the best photos were taken by Rex Heflin, a government employee... Kid Berwyn May 2021 #84
"But people are saying they're seeing UFOs. Do I believe it? Not particularly." Caliman73 May 2021 #56
Excellent points. What some science people said... Kid Berwyn May 2021 #69
Definitely. Science, even with its flaws, is the best method that humans have of discovering fact. Caliman73 May 2021 #70
thanks, that's two things i've heard more than enough about. uncle ray May 2021 #59
Check out today's (Friday, May 28) POLITICO mag, then go through the thread. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #86
Then he went on to create the space force for some unknown reason... Mr. Sparkle May 2021 #60
Dr. Jacques Vallee should be science program director. Kid Berwyn May 2021 #83
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