Ob/gyn perspective on abortion...

[ancianita]

51. You're rejecting what you think is an absolutist conclusion. It's not. The bottom line statement

comes from the essentialist beliefs that men themselves still say they still hold that justify their unwillingness to give up privilege for mere equality. You don't get the final word on what I meant about "losing." But I am explaining that incremental adaptation can in evolutionary

Women did not get my points 150 years ago; 150 years ago they were simply surviving, not thriving. Women 100 years ago did not get my points, either. Overall, both times, there was both no factual history of women, accessible to women, except what came from early English writers of earlier centuries, which were not published or sitting in American libraries.

Women 100 years ago were reacting to their unlivable times, that came out of centuries of codified inequality. They had the bourgeois material wherewithal to become unequivocating in their willingness to protest, some to be jailed or die (rather than threaten or use force as men did), which won the moral battle, for that time, with political leaders, not religious leaders. It was only one man's vote in Congress that gave women the right to vote; he was morally committed to his mother's stance on voting equality. Women will keep losing until they kill that belief in men. There's always hope for progress. So far, that and a bus token have gotten us across town.

Your writing off my thoughts with "women got it 150 years ago" is still personalizing this argument, not addressing the OP's raised issue about male inertia grounded in women's bodies as mostly men's right and their business. Being proud of one ob/gyn's stance is still too small a representation of goodness, when feminists know that it's the generally male controlled system women still suffer under. You don't use any historical facts or references, just make proud claims about women's progress and diss my reasoning about men's bottom line.

Tell you what. We're not getting anywhere. You might knock off your continued personalized criticisms or keep up your emotional labor here. We can continue feminist issues in the future, too; but for right now, I'm done.