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Bernardo de La Paz

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85. Realism is not absolutism. Realism acknowledges opposition but mixes it with hope

Fri May 28, 2021, 05:55 AM

May 2021

Realism would be "women will keep losing if they don't ..." or "there is a fundamental reason women will lose most battles", etc. Realism is avoiding absolutism. Notice the addition of a conditional clause or acknowledging the opposition while allowing that women will win some battles.

Defeatism is "women will keep losing", no if / and / but, the way ancianita wrote.

Yes, there will always be opposition, but over time and as women are more and more successful that opposition will greatly decline. 200 years ago women could not own property or serve on juries or vote. Vice President? Impossible! (back then). Nobody is opposing women owning property today. So opposition does lessen as women gain victories.

Women must be eternally forward looking and never assume that all the battles will be lost the way ancianita wrote.

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Ob/gyn perspective on abortion... [View all] babylonsister May 2021 OP

100% agree. 634-5789 May 2021 #1

There is a bottom line reason women will keep losing this relentless war on their bodies. ancianita May 2021 #2

Okay Doomer. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #8

Not cool, Denier. ancianita May 2021 #14

I'm not denying. You are denying women's hopes and dreams. Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #15

The 21st Century context of women's hopes and dreams is one thing. For the record I support ancianita May 2021 #31

Thank you for a thoughtful response, but if YOU have abandoned hope, please don't push that here Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #34

Well, the important thing to remember... Act_of_Reparation May 2021 #43

? Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #45

This isn't confusing. Act_of_Reparation May 2021 #49

? You continue to be cryptic Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #50

My guess is that they're not cryptic, because they mean this: ancianita May 2021 #59

Okay, the poster confused me by saying "in bold". I didn't think to look for capitalization Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #64

Quote where I said "there is no hope." I in fact said, "The 21st Century context of women's hopes an ancianita May 2021 #60

Presumes I said you said it. "women will keep losing", no if/and/but, is denying hope Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #62

I hear you, and see your interpretation, but you're mistaken. ancianita May 2021 #67

Didn't know what you mean other than the clear meaning of the words "women will keep losing" Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #71

I have a very different take on what ancianita wrote. wnylib May 2021 #78

Realism is not absolutism. Realism acknowledges opposition but mixes it with hope Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #85

Excellent points made here! calimary May 2021 #70

What are you saying? jmbar2 May 2021 #21

I think he is saying he wants people to wonder what he is saying. n/t NH Ethylene May 2021 #25

Not really. I thought feminists might get it, absent further detailing. Not implying that you're not ancianita May 2021 #33

Feminists got it 150 years ago and 100 and 50. They do not get absolutist doomism Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #35

They have made progress in spite of forces arrayed against them, and because they're okay with ancianita May 2021 #39

Dismissing your absolutist conclusion "bottom line ... women will keep losing" Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #41

You're rejecting what you think is an absolutist conclusion. It's not. The bottom line statement ancianita May 2021 #51

Perhaps you might knock off making terse absolutist doomer statements to start debate. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #52

Or you could simply ask what the statement I made means. As in ASK. You started the debate ancianita May 2021 #61

You tossed a bomb into the thread. I have no obligation to ask. Your words were clear. Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #63

Bomb is your word. Once again, you could have asked why I said that. I have. ancianita May 2021 #68

No need to ask what "women will keep losing" means. It is unambiguous Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #72

Understanding begins with asking. wnylib May 2021 #79

Readers don't read for writers' benefit. Writers write for readers' benefit. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #84

"bottom line ... women will keep losing" is absolutist. Was no "if", "and", or "but". . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #53

I was off. It was over 200 years ago. I said "feminists got it", not women. Bernardo de La Paz May 2021 #54

Please read Reply #15. ancianita May 2021 #32

K & R Duppers May 2021 #3

K&R mountain grammy May 2021 #4

Recc'd Ingersollman May 2021 #5

KNR niyad May 2021 #6

KnR x1000!! sarchasm May 2021 #7

K&R!! secondwind May 2021 #9

I remember when I was in nursing school and working OB and we had an shy 11 year old girl flying_wahini May 2021 #10

O M G LittleGirl May 2021 #23

and pregnancy could kill her. Yet, these fanatics have made NO EXCEPTION for CharleyDog May 2021 #40

probably more often than people think demigoddess May 2021 #47

I was shocked to my soul watching a girl of that age come into the clinic... Hekate May 2021 #56

Damn straight! lark May 2021 #11

K & R...nt Wounded Bear May 2021 #12

Either you believe in freedom or you don't! The Jungle 1 May 2021 #13

In a rabidly anti-abortion state, every pregnancy that doesn't go full-term... Girard442 May 2021 #16

I got yelled at by a doctor because he saw 2 spontaneous abortions demigoddess May 2021 #48

Oh, for f*k's sake! ShazzieB May 2021 #65

I have a daughter who is severely retarded by genetic anomaly and my sister in law asked me demigoddess May 2021 #87

K&R! Backseat Driver May 2021 #17

Not every woman can make the commitment to be a parent FakeNoose May 2021 #18

+10000000 moondust May 2021 #36

As a society we are definitely regressing. Pepsidog May 2021 #19

44, with hypertension and taking meds that cause birth defects Unwind Your Mind May 2021 #20

K&R nt PoliWrangler May 2021 #22

The anti-abortion movement is backlash from the women's rights movement dlk May 2021 #24

So true. These kinds of men want to control 'their' women. NH Ethylene May 2021 #26

It's all about maintaining women as a permanent servant class dlk May 2021 #42

Agreed RainCaster May 2021 #27

Until more women figure this out and join together in fighting for equal rights, dlk May 2021 #44

There are no more "ifs", or any other qualifications. BobTheSubgenius May 2021 #28

Thank you seta1950 May 2021 #29

Fuck the Goddamned GOP NEOBuckeye May 2021 #30

It's always been about choice peggysue2 May 2021 #37

It's about money and power dlk May 2021 #46

Kickin' with gusto! Faux pas May 2021 #38

Thanks for bringing this to DU, Babylonsister.. Permanut May 2021 #55

No, abortions would definitely not stop if Roe was (gods forbid) overturned. ShazzieB May 2021 #66

Being the old fartess that I am Mossfern May 2021 #69

New York state legalized abortion in 1970, 3 years before Roe v. Wade. ShazzieB May 2021 #86

If women go to states that allow abortions, wnylib May 2021 #80

KnR Hekate May 2021 #57

I agree 100%. wendyb-NC May 2021 #58

As A Male GB_RN May 2021 #73

+1000 smirkymonkey May 2021 #77

If men could get pregnant, there would be an abortion clinic next to SammyWinstonJack May 2021 #74

What's next once the dogs catches the car.... William Gustafson May 2021 #75

these "pro-lifers" won't get the vaccine and pimp for guns Skittles May 2021 #76

This is why I will fight and live or die on this Lithos May 2021 #81

I wish everyone could read this. KPN May 2021 #82

Yes. Habitation May 2021 #83