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cleduc

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14. Single payer would never have passed.

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 10:26 AM

Oct 2012

So they could do what Clinton had to do: give up and get nothing.

Or they could do what they did: get something

Your claim that they had a super majority in the Senate is basically erroneous. They had 60 senate seats with Independents like Lieberman, who supported McCain, and Blue Dogs for 60 days or so - very briefly and very generously. With that mix, single payer was NEVER in the cards.

If Obama wins, then Obamacare will be very difficult to get rid of as it will be fully functional when his second term ends. When folks see what it does, it will go up in popularity towards (not as high as) Medicare in how much folks will come to appreciate it and rely upon it.

From that Obamacare framework, they can adjust the law to improve it. The major health care debate would be over. Adjustments will be easier to come by than tackling the whole issue. Over time, I think the US will migrate towards single payer.

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Economist told a packed state House that a single payer plan would be 25% cheaper [View all] midnight Oct 2012 OP

du rec. nt xchrom Oct 2012 #1

We all know this is true but congress couldn't care less. lalalu Oct 2012 #2

well, sort of. iemitsu Oct 2012 #4

I get what you are saying but lalalu Oct 2012 #5

yes, that is true and hard to figure. iemitsu Oct 2012 #6

they believe government is bad at everything except war 0rganism Oct 2012 #13

you said it. iemitsu Oct 2012 #24

Even better genxlib Oct 2012 #3

Releasing businesses from the burden of having to pay this cost would unshackle AllyCat Oct 2012 #15

So the question I think most of us have is this. Savannahmann Oct 2012 #7

The insurance industry isn't about to allow that Patiod Oct 2012 #8

Best of luck Vermont, we are counting on you! A national single payer system depends on you now! Dustlawyer Oct 2012 #9

I thought Bernie's waiver Allowed them to do this in 2014. glowing Oct 2012 #10

I don't think Bernie was able to get that passed, so ACA allows the waiver no earlier than 2017. eomer Oct 2012 #19

I though Pres Obama said that if a state could glowing Oct 2012 #20

Yes, we're talking about the same waiver. eomer Oct 2012 #22

Thanks for this input... I had been aware of this attempt, but did not know the status... midnight Oct 2012 #25

BTW, when he represented a certain section of VT, glowing Oct 2012 #11

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #12

Single payer would never have passed. cleduc Oct 2012 #14

Had it passed, the jumping to it would skyrocket unemployment. Festivito Oct 2012 #18

HR 676 addressed this issue as well. There was no way for it to pass because the people that profit Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #26

Too tentacled to fail. /nt Festivito Oct 2012 #27

The Canadian system began with one province... mountain grammy Oct 2012 #16

I live in Canada cleduc Oct 2012 #17

That is a huge savings-11.2 trillion over 10 years. midnight Oct 2012 #21

K&R Mnemosyne Oct 2012 #23