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NNadir

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22. You think the Soviets built 4000 MWe of power plants, Chernobyl 1-4, to power an antenna?
Thu Jul 15, 2021, 08:18 PM
Jul 2021

I hear a lot of stuff about Chernobyl, but this is entirely a new one.

The CAISO real time power analysis for the entire State of California is here: CAISO Real Time Supply As of this writing, 16:50 PDT, (4:50 PM, PDT) all of the wind turbines in the entire State of California, spread over thousands of sq. km of land, are producing 2,963 MW of power.

It might be the case, although since I monitor the CAISO website frequently that at some point, California, might, for an hour or two, produce 4,000 MW or more of wind power if the wind is blowing hard. It's rare, but it happens some time. On the other hand, today, July 15, 2021, at 9:05 PDT in the morning, all of the wind turbines in California, the entire State, were producing 1,227 MWe of power.

The predicted peak power for the State of California posted on the CAISO website for July 15, 2021 is 37,473 MW. This means the claim amounts to saying that the Soviet Union built 4000 MWe of nuclear capacity to power an antenna that consumed 4000/37,500 = .10 = 10% as much as the entire State of California to power an antenna.

Do you stand by this claim?

As I noted in a recent post here, the Tehachapi Wind Resources Area, spread over 2,100 square km, has a peak capacity of 3,507 MW, not that it ever, even for a minute, produces that much power. Busbar Electricity Prices at the Tehachapi Wind Farm This Evening.

The Chernobyl Exclusion Zone is occupies 2,600 sq km, and thus is slightly larger than the ecosystem torn apart and industrialized to build the Techachapi wind parks, which are only some of the wind parks in California.

Are you telling me that all the wind turbines in California could have all of their energy devoted to operating a single antenna? Is this what's circulating in the circle of websites claiming that so called "renewable energy" will save the world?

It might be time to do some math.

30,000,000 MWh*3600 sec/hr *1000 W/kw = 1.08 * 10^(14) J, given that a watt is a J/sec.

1.08 X10^(14)( J/year)/31,556,600 (seconds/year) = 3,422,313 J/s, = 3,422,313 W which at 1,000,000 W/MW works out to 3.4 MW of average continuous power.

This is 3.4/4000 = 0.09% of the power level of the 4 nuclear plants when they were operating at full power, which many nuclear reactors, even crappy RBMK reactors, are capable of doing for long stretches of time.

The point of pointing to wind turbines on the abandoned antenna towers would be what? That symbolism trumps reality?

Ukraine [istill gets almost 50% of its electricity from nuclear power.]

Unlike Germany, they are unwilling to become dependent on Russian gas during periods of dunkelflaute to keep the lights on.

It is useful to do the math when making a claim.

Have a nice evening.

Where I Work: Chernobyl. [View all] NNadir Jul 2021 OP
Almost all the admitted/confirmed human deaths from Chernobyl were the handful Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2021 #1
Sounds A Little Like 'Fallout" Jim G. Jul 2021 #4
It's a lot grimmer and stark than Fallout (I've played 3, FONV and 4) Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2021 #16
President Carter is among roughly 350,000 "liquidators" involved in nuclear reactor "clean ups." NNadir Jul 2021 #6
Thanks for your excellent response ... Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2021 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2021 #2
I find it disturbing that humans going about their ordinary lives... hunter Jul 2021 #3
Chernobyl was a military reactor ... TomWilm Jul 2021 #5
This is not really true. The RBMK, which was very similar to design of the Hanford "N Reactor..." NNadir Jul 2021 #10
Not really sure what your point is ... TomWilm Jul 2021 #17
I'd turn it into a monument / art project. hunter Jul 2021 #18
It is about one kilometer long ... TomWilm Jul 2021 #20
Nevertheless, I Quixotic hunter still mock wind turbines. hunter Jul 2021 #21
You think the Soviets built 4000 MWe of power plants, Chernobyl 1-4, to power an antenna? NNadir Jul 2021 #22
Yes, that is what my Russian sources told me TomWilm Jul 2021 #23
You need better Russian sources. It's clearly nonsense. NNadir Jul 2021 #24
Fukushima Dai'ichi is the world's worst nuclear accident. roamer65 Jul 2021 #7
From this remark, I assume you know very little about the topic. n/t. NNadir Jul 2021 #8
Ok, so what should TEPCO do with the 1.37 million tons of radioactive water on the site? roamer65 Jul 2021 #9
Yes, they should dump it in the ocean. It's the smart thing to do. NNadir Jul 2021 #11
Never mind the radioactivity, eh? roamer65 Jul 2021 #13
Dumping it into a small area right off the coast of a populated island like Japan Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2021 #15
1.37m tons of water is 342,500,000 gallons. sir pball Jul 2021 #19
In 10-20 years its going to be even more obvious that fossil fuels were a very bad idea... hunter Jul 2021 #12
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