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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. I think a big difference is that I'm invested in the great things we're trying
Mon Aug 2, 2021, 09:52 PM
Aug 2021

to accomplish, not fixated on what we have to do to make it happen. This is the real world. The less power we have, the bigger the tradeoffs we have to accept to achieve anything.

I also don't see business as fundamentally evil, though unregulated business always becomes a huge and dangerous problem. Businesses are enormous, and enormously powerful, national assets that have to be involved to accomplish big things.

Lol, I thought of suggesting you check into some of the deals required to create the New Deal programs, the Fair Deal programs, LBJ's Great Society and War on Poverty, and on and on, but what decades of often putrid sausage making accomplished might have the wrong effect. The bitter battles and tradeoffs between the New Dealers' rabid southern conservative and Black factions, both of which were critical to passing bills, were extremely ugly and painful. The socialist faction was so outraged at the New Deal's "corruption" and "betrayal" of the people that they did their best to destroy it. And of course evil business was part of all of it.

But the entire nation benefited, then and ever since. And in every era Democrats play whatever hands the electorate deals to do our best to fulfill our campaign promises and keep advancing our national wellbeing. I trust our commitment to our professed goals, Tiberius. We're the progressives in progressive government and the liberals in liberal democracy.

Biden WORKED for this, drumpf never worked a day in his life except for stealing efforts. lark Jul 2021 #1
That's it. Trump didn't ever work. He's too lazy. GoodRaisin Jul 2021 #3
I remain disappointed to see progressives who oppose Biden and threaten to "tank" and... NurseJackie Aug 2021 #8
They are dead right on this one though dsc Aug 2021 #17
So fucking what? NurseJackie Aug 2021 #18
yes it is dsc Aug 2021 #19
Lulz NurseJackie Aug 2021 #20
You may not have seen it dsc Aug 2021 #21
BS...getting something helps everyone. They are dead wrong on this...and I consider party Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #22
The House was promised, and are holding us to, the fact that either both bills or none dsc Aug 2021 #24
Trump had no idea how to govern. patphil Aug 2021 #13
The country desparately needed this. Johnny2X2X Jul 2021 #2
Because Biden cares about America? Because Biden tries? keithbvadu2 Jul 2021 #4
Because Biden's infrastructure policy helps everyone bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #5
I'm a cynic. I still fear that Republicans only voted for this first phase... thesquanderer Jul 2021 #6
The uncritical examination of this bill is astounding TiberiusB Jul 2021 #7
Well said. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2021 #9
To me this post is rather astounding. But then I came in rolling my eyes Hortensis Aug 2021 #10
I pretty much knew my concerns would produce a reply like this TiberiusB Aug 2021 #15
We always have to TRY to serve the American people in bipartisan Hortensis Aug 2021 #16
No roughly half the people didn't chose the GOP dsc Aug 2021 #23
Serve the people, yes, but that doesn't mean beltway bipartisanship TiberiusB Aug 2021 #25
I think a big difference is that I'm invested in the great things we're trying Hortensis Aug 2021 #26
Why "Mr. Biden". It is president Biden. Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #11
How did Biden get the deal? AverageOldGuy Aug 2021 #12
He also has a Mayor Pete FreeState Aug 2021 #14
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