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Ms. Toad

(33,999 posts)
18. No one took a vacation.
Sat Aug 21, 2021, 10:04 AM
Aug 2021

Last edited Sun Aug 22, 2021, 02:37 PM - Edit history (1)

New drugs are never tested on children. The medicine my daughter started taking in1995, as a child, is still not approved for use by children. Women are often excluded, as well because of the risk of pregnancy. Once a drug has received full FDA approval for adult use, based on the group it tested, even if the group excluded women, and was short on racial minorities, doctors start using it "off-label" for children, and, in essence, It is field tested, informally, on women, children, and racial minorities. We learn of the problems slowly, as data emerges in those populations.

The vaccine needs to be specifically tested for children, because we plan to give it to all children, making the risk significantly higher.

And, as a matter of fact, we don't know that it is safe for adults. We know only that it is safe short term for adults. We have no way of knowing that it is safe long term, and we don't have time to wait to find out. Routine screening x-rays (which my mother had), thalidomide, DES, are all now known to be dangerous - But based on short term tests believed to be perfectly safe.

They are doing precisely what they need to do, and have done a remarkably good job of testing these vaccines in a much more diverse population than usual. But kids are not, medically, just miniature adults - and their long term is heck of a lot longer than my long term.

We don't know it is perfectly safe for kids. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #1
I disagree. But taking you at your word fescuerescue Aug 2021 #3
My understanding is that they are in the process of doing that Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #7
That's why I hear as well fescuerescue Aug 2021 #8
I don't think anyone took a vacation. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #16
No one took a vacation. Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #18
YOU DON'T EXPERIMENT ON CHILDREN Blue_Adept Aug 2021 #36
They are not mini adults, so handle things differently GPV Aug 2021 #2
We know it's safe for adults, and kids over 12 TDale313 Aug 2021 #4
So why didn't they test it on kids at the same time as adults? fescuerescue Aug 2021 #6
It is unethical to test a drug not known to be safe on adults, Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #19
Good lord, that's something the Nazis did obamanut2012 Aug 2021 #25
I think they haven't finalized determining the dosage. madaboutharry Aug 2021 #5
Clinical trials luv2fly Aug 2021 #9
Right. So why didn't the start at the same time as the other trials? fescuerescue Aug 2021 #10
I seem to recall the powers that be felt kids weren't at risk luv2fly Aug 2021 #11
That's not science. N/T lapucelle Aug 2021 #12
Not science at all, medically unethical, and legally irresponsible. N/t Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #20
If only you'd been working at Pfizer or Moderna, the pandemic would be over by now... SidDithers Aug 2021 #21
Well we have the largest collection of virus experts right here. fescuerescue Aug 2021 #23
Probably evaluating minimum safest, effective dosage BadgerKid Aug 2021 #13
It's because mRNA vaccines are associated with rare side effect of myocarditis LisaL Aug 2021 #14
I support the safety first concept... FarPoint Aug 2021 #15
Maybe because, if some kids started to have bad reactions then bluestarone Aug 2021 #17
Our pediatrician told us as soon as Pfiser was officially approved, she could prescribe it for 2-12 haele Aug 2021 #22
There is actually a slightly larger issue than parental consent. Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #24
Please take her fear seriously. hamsterjill Aug 2021 #35
Because we aren't Nazis obamanut2012 Aug 2021 #26
So taking the vaccine makes one a Nazi? fescuerescue Aug 2021 #27
Testing a vaccine not proven to be safe on adults, on children, is something the Nazi's would do. Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #33
The point is that they are dragging their feet on getting this proof fescuerescue Aug 2021 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Aug 2021 #28
On second thought, I'm bailing on this shit show. Iggo Aug 2021 #29
I had an entire response about how xmas74 Aug 2021 #30
Yep, he's been told a bunch of times. Doesn't need me to tell him again. Iggo Aug 2021 #32
Dosage is an issue iemanja Aug 2021 #31
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