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RockRaven

(14,907 posts)
22. You understand that I included that line as a comparison, not because it has anything directly
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 10:40 PM
Aug 2021

to do with the article, right? The factoids in the article lack context to make them useful for understanding what is happening or what one ought to do.

19% of the hospitalized patients had some vaccine... Okay... Is that good or bad? Is that high or low? Is that reassuring or scary? One can know by looking at relative rates or their proxies.

If only 1% of the population had gotten any vaccine then 19% would be terrible. If 99% of the population had been fully vaccinated it would be insanely awesome.

So a useful first glance comparison is: what should we see if there's no effect from the vaccine? Well, the hospital population ought to be similar to the general population in that case, i.e. 60% fully vaxxed. And it is not. That was the point of that line.

Okay, it is different from the general population, and what does that mean? It means relative to unvaxxed people, vaxxed people stay out of the hospital. By a lot. The 3/5 of the population who are fully vaxxed make up 1/8 of the hospitalizations, whereas the 2/5 who are not make up 7/8. The vaccines have room for improvement but they're working well.

Which is a hugely different take away than the clickbait headline of an absolute measurement of vaccinated individuals amongst the hospitalized population presented without appropriate context.

Not surprising. LisaL Aug 2021 #1
It stands to reason that a vaccine that is maybe 90 percent effective is Tomconroy Aug 2021 #2
It's less than 90% effective against delta. LisaL Aug 2021 #3
It's highly effective. Somewhere in 80 to 95 percent ballpark probably. Tomconroy Aug 2021 #5
The man who delivers my prescriptions has not been vaccinated left-of-center2012 Aug 2021 #4
switch your pharmacy or tell them vaxed delivery people only Maru Kitteh Aug 2021 #23
Could it be? kentuck Aug 2021 #6
I doubt it. LisaL Aug 2021 #8
Looks inline ... Any comorbidities associated with the 19%? tia uponit7771 Aug 2021 #7
New Mexico is about 60% fully vaccinated. If there were no difference between being vaxxed RockRaven Aug 2021 #9
I like what you're getting at here ... but to get really accurate Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2021 #12
the article doesn't claim there is no difference, obviously iemanja Aug 2021 #13
You understand that I included that line as a comparison, not because it has anything directly RockRaven Aug 2021 #22
Fair enough iemanja Aug 2021 #24
And the OP has a pattern of picking out these deceptive clickbait stories. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #27
The OP has a pattern of posting a distorted view of very positive statistics. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #26
I think we may be going into a situation similar the yearly flu vaccine. patphil Aug 2021 #10
Nearly 60% Of NM Is Fully Vaxxed ProfessorGAC Aug 2021 #11
Umm . . . 100%. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #16
I Was Making... ProfessorGAC Aug 2021 #19
Just completing the thought, since I'm pretty sure Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #20
So have you received the vaccine, OP? Elessar Zappa Aug 2021 #14
reporting accurate (and expected) information should not trigger Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #17
Both context and nuance allow us additional information LanternWaste Aug 2021 #18
You're not reading carefully if you believe your last sentence is true. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #30
Technically accurate numbers presented in a deliberately deceptive way. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #28
My only agenda is to get people who are vaccinated to realize Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #31
The way you and WOTH are presenting it comes across as deceptive and antivax. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #32
Nonsense. You are actively misleading people with the data you cite - Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #37
I haven't been citing different data, only looking at what you and WOTH are posting. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #40
Without doing a deep dive into the data - this isn't a surprise. Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #15
And what percent of the dead? Please don't mess with Covid. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #21
87% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated greenjar_01 Aug 2021 #25
+1000 At least one other poster in this thread seems to be a consistent antivaxxer too. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #29
Recognizing that vaccines have limitations - Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #33
Nobody says vaccinations are magic. You're posting distortions to make them appear useless. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #35
Mine is always balanced and in context. Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #38
Your advice is good advice NickB79 Aug 2021 #36
Yeah, about that 13% of hospitalizations being vaccinated NickB79 Aug 2021 #34
Looks like the vaccine is working. Captain Stern Aug 2021 #39
How do they know how many vaccinated people have gotten the virus marie999 Aug 2021 #41
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