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10. what makes you think Senate* republicans would vote for ANY reconciliation bill?

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 02:26 AM

Sep 2021

...they have no need to pull our asses out of the fire Manchin started.

President Biden didn't call Manchin to the WH to squawk about some progressive initiatives in the bill holding up the process, like you are. He fully supports the legislation, so explain to us how the president's support for the bill is 'dangerous?'

Centrists can't posture like progressive initiatives in the bill are threatening them politically without blaming President Biden, as well. So, have at it.

Ffs, is there any part of the Democratic agenda you think is worth defending?

The party shouldn't be held hostage by a senator whose state's residents depend so heavily on the support of the rest of the party to keep their heads above water.

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From CNN: Clyburn says there's a "possibility" that 9/27 vote on bipartisan bill will be delayed [View all] Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 OP

saboteurs torpedoing the biden democrats agenda? nt msongs Sep 2021 #1

Our 'Centerist' Contingent, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2021 #2

That is not going to happen. I doubt Manchin or Sinema will change their minds. I am not Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #5

Sinema's term GoodRaisin Sep 2021 #9

The moderates wanted to vote on the bipartisan bill before the reconciliation bill ...fearing Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #7

The Onus, Ma'am, Is On the 'Centerist' Contingent The Magistrate Sep 2021 #8

Well said. OnDoutside Sep 2021 #14

I agree 100% BlueLucy Sep 2021 #17

It is not the moderates in the house, and they have no power to change this... Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #24

There's no fear in this. "Moderates" want to go with the bipartisan OnDoutside Sep 2021 #13

Exactly, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2021 #19

You lose your majority if you don't defend your centrist once in office and it is very difficult Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #22

Your post makes no sense...Moderates who give us the majority will rightfully expect to Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #26

How is that any better than we don't get the 3.5 deal and we walk away from a bipartisan bill that Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #21

It might be instructive for you to revisit just how the two deals came OnDoutside Sep 2021 #31

We will lose the midterms if the bipartisan bill isn't brought up and walk away with nothing. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #3

We lose the midterms if voting rights doesn't pass, regardless of what happens w/infrastructure nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #4

That is not true. If enough people show up, we can win. I have to tell you even if we pass the Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #6

That's not true. Turnout can't beat gerrymandering. budkin Sep 2021 #11

Yes it can...how do you suppose we won Virginia? Gerrymandering is also in trouble due to Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #23

what makes you think Senate* republicans would vote for ANY reconciliation bill? bigtree Sep 2021 #10

Your ffs is very unfair. As for whether "the party shouldn't be held hostage Hortensis Sep 2021 #15

Well that's a stupid statement Walleye Sep 2021 #18

what's stupid is this constant pandering to individuals who don't have the party interest at stake bigtree Sep 2021 #27

Pandering? I don't know how anyone could imagine Senators Manchin Hortensis Sep 2021 #28

you're leaving out his influence on the final packages bigtree Sep 2021 #29

Of course, as Pelosi said, both will be done together. This is all OnDoutside Sep 2021 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #16

I see no way forward until after the midterms with the 3.5 trillion bill at this moment. I hope Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #25

Most definitely agree with that. OnDoutside Sep 2021 #30

Fuck it!..................... nt Hotler Sep 2021 #20