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Interesting read. brer cat Sep 2021 #1
K&R MustLoveBeagles Sep 2021 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Drum Sep 2021 #3
Obviously, given the depth of Wise's piece, that's NOT 'it, then" StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #6
I'll rescind my comment, with the acknowledgment that I'm uninformed n/t Drum Sep 2021 #8
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K&R Solly Mack Sep 2021 #4
I don't even know if that applies, now that I live in Europe DFW Sep 2021 #5
Interesting how it sounds if you make the same argument in the converse ... Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2021 #7
Lol StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #9
Article talks about white defensiveness over race wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #11
Not being defensive, I just found it amusing that if you reverse the words Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2021 #12
:) Yes. It takes skill, and either a genuinely or determinedly Hortensis Sep 2021 #14
Text inversion like this is a really good tool for exposing biases Amishman Sep 2021 #38
Text inversion is nonsense wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #40
Text inversion is not a good tool for exposing biases. But it IS a good tool for obfuscating them StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #43
As useful as... tonedevil Sep 2021 #46
This would be "interesting" only if we didn't live in a white supremacy. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #16
So just call them the REICH WING and be clear. TigressDem Sep 2021 #13
There are plenty of white people in Democratic/leftist/progressive spaces who perpetrate the white- WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #17
White people telling Black people "if you want real change, do it the way I tell you to do it" StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #19
Bull Shit. TigressDem Sep 2021 #30
You're way off base here. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #31
You are cherry picking certain bits. TigressDem Sep 2021 #32
Okay, I'll respond to all of it. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #39
Excellent! StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #42
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Let me make it "less meta". Defeating racism by using racism causes unnecessary conflict. TigressDem Oct 2021 #48
You really express... tonedevil Oct 2021 #60
I don't feel "burdened" TigressDem Oct 2021 #63
Your writing expresses... tonedevil Oct 2021 #68
Could be that feeling helpless is kind of the same as burdened. TigressDem Oct 2021 #81
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Wow StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #78
Don't agree with everything, but maybe you ARE helping me understand it differently. TigressDem Oct 2021 #83
. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #91
Colorblindness is vanishingly counterproductive wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #41
Whenever I hear anyone say, "I don't see race" StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #44
Self-declared "colorblind" people wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #45
YOU all are calling me "color blind" I don't think that way. TigressDem Oct 2021 #84
You said you were going to go start your own conversation about this.. StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #88
IF a person says, "I don't see color as affecting people" YES, I aggree. TigressDem Oct 2021 #49
You think we can't talk about any kind of white privilege unless we prove that StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #51
I did NOT say that. TigressDem Oct 2021 #54
That's exactly what you said. StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #56
NO. I am not looking for "PROOF". I agree things are "systemic". TigressDem Oct 2021 #58
... StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #59
Very exhausting wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #62
Mentioning race isn't an issue. NEVER going BEYOND that and making it ALL about race is still racism TigressDem Oct 2021 #65
Give me clarity about how you got raped wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #67
My rapes taught me that any color of human can be cruel. TigressDem Oct 2021 #73
It is, indeed StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #69
Isn't it funny how sometimes people can actually agree on core issues, but argue a lot? TigressDem Oct 2021 #74
It's interesting how you keep trying to make this thread all about you StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #76
But aren't I the actual "target audience" of the article in the OP? TigressDem Oct 2021 #86
You are the target audience of the piece StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #87
IF I were giving orders on how it should happen before..... we wouldn't be talking. TigressDem Oct 2021 #64
It's not up to you to "take the conversation FARTHER" by telling everyone what you think StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #70
Biggest giveaway that this was a waste of time wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #71
WOW. TigressDem Oct 2021 #79
OK. TigressDem Oct 2021 #75
Yes, it's probably better for you to try to start a conversation on race that's more to your liking StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #77
Are you this dismissive with everyone you meet? TigressDem Oct 2021 #80
Not dismissive. Just honest StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #82
I didn't ask anyone to "build a bridge TO me" but traditionally people working together ... TigressDem Oct 2021 #85
This message was self-deleted by its author StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #50
Where I was growing up, there was similar sentiment, but against Blacks. Decoy of Fenris Sep 2021 #15
You're equating Black people being called "nigger" with white people being called "white people"? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #20
No ma'am, I'm saying that the sentiment and end result are the same. Decoy of Fenris Sep 2021 #22
You think black people being called nigger and white people being called white people has the same r StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #23
I'd agree that the words/phrases don't carry the same weight, to be sure. Decoy of Fenris Sep 2021 #24
They not only don't carry the same weight, they should never be equated in a discussion like this StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #26
"It uses 'White people' as a slur" wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #33
Bingo StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #34
Thank you. That's the w**** state of mind Tim Wise was talking about wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #37
It is more like being called "boy" or saying "black people" do X because they are black. TigressDem Oct 2021 #52
You keep telling us what the conversation must consist of before you'll engage in it StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #53
NO. I get it that White Privilage exists. TigressDem Oct 2021 #55
You are the one introducing blame into this discussion StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #57
White and Black thinking is inherently biased and oppositional. TigressDem Oct 2021 #61
K&R. Posting this article really illustrates the need for an article like this. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #18
Ain't it true? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #21
MA'AM. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #28
LOL StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #29
I see this so often on social media mcar Sep 2021 #25
It's only a problem when referring to "white people." StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #27
Yup, I'm white and have benefitted from Whiteness, Inc haele Sep 2021 #35
Benefiting from white supremacist system does not make one racist StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #36
Black Jeopardy on SNL always has a "White People" category gulliver Oct 2021 #66
Tim Wise is correct that white people need to learn to talk about race and talk about it better. SYFROYH Oct 2021 #89
I see your point StarfishSaver Oct 2021 #90
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