It always amuses me when we hear "that's not who we are as a nation"

[PatrickforB]

40. Yeah, I hear that. I really felt sorry for Hillary in the early 90s.

She worked so hard, tried to get everyone to the table, and as a result we had a massive propaganda campaign by for profit healthcare and big pharma to change the dialog from extend healthcare to everyone to socialized medicine and long waits and not being able to choose your own doctor.

That was a horror. It really was, and Clinton was also systematically demonized by really well funded right-wing propaganda organs. In her words, there was, in fact, a vast right-wing conspiracy. There was.

So yeah, sorry if I was out of line in my reply to you in any way. And I DO applaud the Democrats trying to add hearing, vision and dental to Medicare. That would be outstanding, as would lowering the age of Medicare eligibility to 60 or even 55. People in this age band, myself included, are very vulnerable to getting laid off and replaced with someone younger and less expensive, and getting sick and having to literally go bankrupt with healthcare debt.

But then you get guys like Manchin saying he is not willing to do any expansion on Medicare until we fix what we have.

Sigh.