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41. ****DEMOCRATS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MESSAGE !!!***** Only 64% of democrats think voter
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:24 AM
Nov 2021

... suppression laws are a problem

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/06/21/monmouth-poll-americans-back-both-early-voting-voter-id-requirements/7774904002/

That's text book poor messaging infrastructure on democrats part !!!

That's text book poor framing and not flooding an information zone with information Americans need to hear about that issue.

That is democrats fault, not the media not some aliens or slogans or whatever else we want to blame today

We don't attack our political opponents by fabricating lies about them, and repeating those lies until they are perceived to be facts.


- We don't need to!!! We don't attack them by establishing the bad they do either! Look at TM in VA, he didn't try to associate the generic GQP candidate with Putin's Whore ... FIRST !! He only did it after he started sinking in the pools, we need to

We tell voters the truth, instead of telling them what they want to hear. We warn them about the consequences of climate change, instead of assuring them that it's just another scam being perpetrated by 'elitist' scientists.


- That's great but the "truth" isn't what stokes voters fear is and "Republicans want to take away your health care" is not only the truth but its fear invoking. We CAN do that and should .... we don't !!!

We don't ignore the plight of the hungry, the sick, and the poor while claiming to be righteous Christians who are 'doing the Lord's work'.


- Great, has nothing to do with dems lack of good messaging infrastructure

We don't encourage voters to believe that putting more guns in their hands makes them safer, or that their use equals protecting their freedoms. We don't tell voters that taking the law into their own hands is tantamount to upholding justice.


- Great, has nothing to do with dems lack of good messaging infrastructure and attacking with truth first

We don't demonize 'the other side' by suggesting they are Satan-worshippers who sex-traffic children.


- We ***SHOULD*** demonize the other side with the bullshit they do !! We don't do it effectively **FIRST**, its not a constant hammer we use. See TM 2021 VA Gov run ... r

We try to appeal to the intelligence and common sense of people who possess neither.


- Great, has nothing to do with dems lack of good messaging infrastructure and not attacking with truth first

We rely on facts and scientific knowledge, instead of pandering to those who are too stupid to accept the former and/or understand the latter. We don't cater to the uninformed by feeding them even more misinformation; we don't tell the ignorant that their ignorance is actually a sign of their superiority.


- Great, has nothing to do with dems lack of good messaging infrastructure and not attacking with truth first

We don't attempt to persuade voters that all of their grievances are attributable to immigrants, or people of colour, or those of a different faith or sexual orientation.


- We DO NOT ***LOUDLY*** tell voters this is wrong and establish the GQP does it first !! We don't!! We allow them to attack us and define use first (see post mortems of 2020 down ballot races were a majority of voters said dem messages were vague in a multitude of studies)

We don't espouse 'easy fixes' to the nation's woes, like banning certain books or firing certain teachers.


- Great, We're the "good guys" that has nothing to do with dems lack of good messaging infrastructure and not attacking with truth first.

We encourage unity, instead of admonishing citizens to see each other as enemies. We promote the concept of finding common ground, instead of 'standing one's ground' by using violence to settle scores.

I am tired of hearing how the Democrats don't know how to 'message' in the current climate of people who aren't the least bit interested in hearing any message that doesn't justify their racism, their homophobia, their xenophobia, and that doesn't glorify those traits by equating them to patriotism and love of God and country.


I'm tired of looking at the fact that even when we're doing great a majority of America doesn't think we are because of a lack of messaging and actions that get the message out.

The economy is text book roaring other than inflation, we're losing the economic message and we shouldn't blame "we're the good guys" on that.

In a sane world - which we have long since left behind - the only 'message' that should mean anything is the fact that Donald Trump and the Republican party organized, funded, supported and actively participated in the attempted overthrow of our democracy.


In a sane world would ANYONE be asking if there was a DOJ investigation after 911?

Right ... the answer is no, the reason why we were asking a month ago because we didn't know.

Everything else - including promoting the idea that Democrats don't have the 'right message' - is just the noise that bullshit makes when it hits the fan.


Then why do only 64% of ****DEMOCRATS**** think voter suppression is a problem ?!!?
What's wrong with our 'messaging'? [View all] NanceGreggs Nov 2021 OP
Yes. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #1
We own way less megaphones. In fact we own none robbedvoter Nov 2021 #2
Another thing wrong with our messaging wnylib Nov 2021 #3
Yet another 'message' ... NanceGreggs Nov 2021 #6
It would not be ignored any more wnylib Nov 2021 #12
I've never advocated ... NanceGreggs Nov 2021 #15
Correct but WHEN we speak the truth matters as much as how loud and often, we're getting our uponit7771 Nov 2021 #87
That's good to know. wnylib Nov 2021 #91
+1, "..Good messaging appeals to how people feel.." uponit7771 Nov 2021 #95
+1, TM only defined Youngkin in VA gov race after his poll numbers went down we can define... uponit7771 Nov 2021 #86
And you have to add the "shoebox" element. calimary Nov 2021 #96
+1,000,000 nt Jarqui Nov 2021 #9
1500 coordinated ignored radio stations is their only unique advantage. see comment below certainot Nov 2021 #25
"Why didn't Dems stop ____ ?" betsuni Nov 2021 #26
It's not just all those radio stations. It's TV and cable. Like Pox Noise. calimary Nov 2021 #45
Then we get our own damn news stations, only 64% of democrats believe voter suppression is a uponit7771 Nov 2021 #73
Yes!!! But unfortunately we had one and it just didn't gain any traction. calimary Nov 2021 #92
Just read we are actually under utilizing radio stations in CoC like Miami Dade and South Texas ... uponit7771 Nov 2021 #94
air america was competing with a well established monopoly. it was mom and pop vs walmart certainot Nov 2021 #98
the way to beat rw radio is to destroy it. every advertiser, ad co, as well as university and pro certainot Nov 2021 #99
TV, internet are part of the free speech spectrum. rw radio is the only unique advantage they have certainot Nov 2021 #97
You have said it right on the money. MSM is owned by the oligarchs. overleft Nov 2021 #35
+1,We have a way we're not using it. We have radio in CoC that are not flooded with our message uponit7771 Nov 2021 #71
Yep. calimary Nov 2021 #93
The problem is simple. MrWiggles Nov 2021 #4
Thank you for your less than insightful ... NanceGreggs Nov 2021 #8
I second that emotion. calimary Nov 2021 #52
Biden wishy washy? wnylib Nov 2021 #16
The problem is simple? Corporate Dems. HARD. betsuni Nov 2021 #22
bullshit. when dem and prog 'leaders' figure out the only unique difference is radio the rest is certainot Nov 2021 #33
Bernie in charge of PR would only appeal to voters we already have. Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #36
I think you're posting this as a false flag to stir up shit against progressives & promote division Celerity Nov 2021 #47
Yup. Good call. nt DLevine Nov 2021 #51
Indeed. calimary Nov 2021 #54
THANK YOU. betsuni Nov 2021 #5
They were the wrong "slogans." wnylib Nov 2021 #21
In thinking of creating the most powerful message we could send, taxi Nov 2021 #109
Very well done. twodogsbarking Nov 2021 #7
Democrats are held to a different set of rules Martin Eden Nov 2021 #10
Trumps gish gallop of Trump Horrible could've been defeated with proper mechanics of ...... uponit7771 Nov 2021 #83
Honesty, decency, fairness and competence TNNurse Nov 2021 #11
They are popular but ***NOT*** calling out what the GQP is doing as evil isn't effective at making uponit7771 Nov 2021 #59
We should engage where we can bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #65
omg, this should be its own OP itself. The GQP are NOT DOUBT working infrastructure that's ... uponit7771 Nov 2021 #75
flaggings free bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #77
!!! elias7 Nov 2021 #13
Nope. That's not it. Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #14
My point is ... NanceGreggs Nov 2021 #18
And mine is that we DO have a problem with messaging. And rather than pretending it isn't an issue, Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #29
If it's "not that difficult to do" ... NanceGreggs Nov 2021 #39
Stacy Abrams managed to reach huge swaths of voters we had previously never reached, and Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #40
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 "but their mechanics are very much worth copying." I've been saying this for ... uponit7771 Nov 2021 #61
Only 64% of democrats believe Voter Suppression is a problem (link) That's a problem with messaging uponit7771 Nov 2021 #60
some Dems get out in front way more than others Tetrachloride Nov 2021 #20
If we made Stacy Abrams the head of the DNC, we would see in retrospect how many Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #27
+1, SA went to CoC where dem messaging was missing in 2020. Miami Dade was disgusting example uponit7771 Nov 2021 #76
+1, TM in VA gov race didn't define Trumpkin as a Trumper till late in the race when his polls ... uponit7771 Nov 2021 #48
It's a problem of distribution. We target the wrong demographic too ... Auggie Nov 2021 #31
+1, the 2020 post mortem said we didn't target PoC communities SPECIFICLY enough we peanut uponit7771 Nov 2021 #49
THANK YOU !!! Only 64% of democrats think voter suppression is a problem, that's messaging uponit7771 Nov 2021 #42
And the infrastructure bill has already fallen out of the news cycle madville Nov 2021 #72
It never got into the news cycle. But if we targeted social media and Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #78
+1, " and yes, radio" GQP used it in Miami Dade and gained 200,000 more votes with it uponit7771 Nov 2021 #81
Those are long term benefits though many years from now madville Nov 2021 #82
Thanks. The "message" thing reminds me panader0 Nov 2021 #17
Not a "bullshit term" at all Roy Rolling Nov 2021 #24
I disagree. I am not enamored by "glitz". You may be. panader0 Nov 2021 #28
You already vote, and vote Democratic. You are not one of the people we are not reaching. Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #32
"I am not" we're not talking about engaged voters like you, we're talking about the 40% of black uponit7771 Nov 2021 #50
The poster I was responding to said "The whole society is enamored by glitz". panader0 Nov 2021 #62
You're right, we don't have to "play their game" but we NO DOUBT need to copy their mechanics uponit7771 Nov 2021 #67
Leave me out of this now Roy Rolling Nov 2021 #113
We're also talking about the Latin American vote, which is beginning to slip away from us and which Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #64
+1, 2020 South Texas and Miami Dade was a travesty !! Dems act like Stacy Abrams doesn't exist uponit7771 Nov 2021 #80
Messaging JackSabbath Nov 2021 #58
Amen Joinfortmill Nov 2021 #19
it's the VOLUME! the bloody radio is the only unique advantage they have. at $1000/hr worth $5B/yr certainot Nov 2021 #23
I would say it's radio and social media, and social media is a more effective vehicle for us. Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #34
most of the 'successful' social media piggybacks 30 yrs of rw radio - like fox. soc media is certainot Nov 2021 #37
I agree that radio is the driver of the right wing. But unless we are going to put a LOT of Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #38
Q soc media campaign started in nov 2017, 10 mo after limbaugh began attacking 'librul deep state' certainot Nov 2021 #44
We don't need to, we can just flood CoC radio stations to be effective, we didn't in 2020 and look uponit7771 Nov 2021 #90
They have bots on SM that are worked near 100% daily, we can do the same. We lack in Radio ... uponit7771 Nov 2021 #89
Nance, Your message is the message we must get America to understand. The Jungle 1 Nov 2021 #30
****DEMOCRATS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MESSAGE !!!***** Only 64% of democrats think voter uponit7771 Nov 2021 #41
From the article you've cited: NanceGreggs Nov 2021 #101
K, ONLY 64% of democrats are more likely to expres concern about voter disenfranchisement,.. better? uponit7771 Nov 2021 #103
Again, that's NOT what it says. NanceGreggs Nov 2021 #105
Which is still extremely low seeing GQP isn't likely to express concern over suppression at all !!! uponit7771 Nov 2021 #108
I am a Proud Democrat (capital P, capital D)... dixiechiken1 Nov 2021 #43
+1, Only 64% of democrats believe Voter Suppression is a problem (link). That's bad messaging uponit7771 Nov 2021 #57
We need parallel messaging to appeal low and high, and our own media outlet to make noise bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #46
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 We need an messaging infrastructure that works minimum at the same amplitude ... uponit7771 Nov 2021 #53
Yeah, we shouldn't demonize them .... lastlib Nov 2021 #63
I disagree... myohmy2 Nov 2021 #55
There is no debate ... NanceGreggs Nov 2021 #66
"...should Democrats resort to lying..." myohmy2 Nov 2021 #69
Yeah, good thinking. NanceGreggs Nov 2021 #74
We don't have to do that, we can "go high" AND be effective Stacy Abrams was and look what happened uponit7771 Nov 2021 #79
We can go high and tell the truth too, only 64% of democrats think voter suppression is a problem uponit7771 Nov 2021 #70
Yes, look at what Stacy Abrams did in CoC ! The 2020 down ballot post mortems said our message uponit7771 Nov 2021 #68
You answered your own question, Nance. lastlib Nov 2021 #56
Democrats Deliver! emanymton69 Nov 2021 #84
Nothing wrong with messaging. rownesheck Nov 2021 #85
Only 64% of democrats believe Voter Suppression is a problem (link), there's something wrong with uponit7771 Nov 2021 #88
Why are you persisting ... NanceGreggs Nov 2021 #102
Okay, I changed a few words and took out some others and the fact still remains uponit7771 Nov 2021 #104
Yet again ... NanceGreggs Nov 2021 #106
Yeah, the numbers not 99% and it should be with the right message from DNC uponit7771 Nov 2021 #107
we dont play on fear like they do. mopinko Nov 2021 #100
Our message is splintered. The GOP uses like minded hate as the message. sarcasmo Nov 2021 #110
The only thing I can say is that CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #111
Great Post. Diablo del sol Nov 2021 #112
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