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In reply to the discussion: What's wrong with our 'messaging'? [View all]uponit7771
(90,302 posts)41. ****DEMOCRATS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MESSAGE !!!***** Only 64% of democrats think voter
... suppression laws are a problem
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/06/21/monmouth-poll-americans-back-both-early-voting-voter-id-requirements/7774904002/
That's text book poor messaging infrastructure on democrats part !!!
That's text book poor framing and not flooding an information zone with information Americans need to hear about that issue.
That is democrats fault, not the media not some aliens or slogans or whatever else we want to blame today
We don't attack our political opponents by fabricating lies about them, and repeating those lies until they are perceived to be facts.
- We don't need to!!! We don't attack them by establishing the bad they do either! Look at TM in VA, he didn't try to associate the generic GQP candidate with Putin's Whore ... FIRST !! He only did it after he started sinking in the pools, we need to
We tell voters the truth, instead of telling them what they want to hear. We warn them about the consequences of climate change, instead of assuring them that it's just another scam being perpetrated by 'elitist' scientists.
- That's great but the "truth" isn't what stokes voters fear is and "Republicans want to take away your health care" is not only the truth but its fear invoking. We CAN do that and should .... we don't !!!
We don't ignore the plight of the hungry, the sick, and the poor while claiming to be righteous Christians who are 'doing the Lord's work'.
- Great, has nothing to do with dems lack of good messaging infrastructure
We don't encourage voters to believe that putting more guns in their hands makes them safer, or that their use equals protecting their freedoms. We don't tell voters that taking the law into their own hands is tantamount to upholding justice.
- Great, has nothing to do with dems lack of good messaging infrastructure and attacking with truth first
We don't demonize 'the other side' by suggesting they are Satan-worshippers who sex-traffic children.
- We ***SHOULD*** demonize the other side with the bullshit they do !! We don't do it effectively **FIRST**, its not a constant hammer we use. See TM 2021 VA Gov run ... r
We try to appeal to the intelligence and common sense of people who possess neither.
- Great, has nothing to do with dems lack of good messaging infrastructure and not attacking with truth first
We rely on facts and scientific knowledge, instead of pandering to those who are too stupid to accept the former and/or understand the latter. We don't cater to the uninformed by feeding them even more misinformation; we don't tell the ignorant that their ignorance is actually a sign of their superiority.
- Great, has nothing to do with dems lack of good messaging infrastructure and not attacking with truth first
We don't attempt to persuade voters that all of their grievances are attributable to immigrants, or people of colour, or those of a different faith or sexual orientation.
- We DO NOT ***LOUDLY*** tell voters this is wrong and establish the GQP does it first !! We don't!! We allow them to attack us and define use first (see post mortems of 2020 down ballot races were a majority of voters said dem messages were vague in a multitude of studies)
We don't espouse 'easy fixes' to the nation's woes, like banning certain books or firing certain teachers.
- Great, We're the "good guys" that has nothing to do with dems lack of good messaging infrastructure and not attacking with truth first.
We encourage unity, instead of admonishing citizens to see each other as enemies. We promote the concept of finding common ground, instead of 'standing one's ground' by using violence to settle scores.
I am tired of hearing how the Democrats don't know how to 'message' in the current climate of people who aren't the least bit interested in hearing any message that doesn't justify their racism, their homophobia, their xenophobia, and that doesn't glorify those traits by equating them to patriotism and love of God and country.
I'm tired of looking at the fact that even when we're doing great a majority of America doesn't think we are because of a lack of messaging and actions that get the message out.
The economy is text book roaring other than inflation, we're losing the economic message and we shouldn't blame "we're the good guys" on that.
In a sane world - which we have long since left behind - the only 'message' that should mean anything is the fact that Donald Trump and the Republican party organized, funded, supported and actively participated in the attempted overthrow of our democracy.
In a sane world would ANYONE be asking if there was a DOJ investigation after 911?
Right ... the answer is no, the reason why we were asking a month ago because we didn't know.
Everything else - including promoting the idea that Democrats don't have the 'right message' - is just the noise that bullshit makes when it hits the fan.
Then why do only 64% of ****DEMOCRATS**** think voter suppression is a problem ?!!?
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Correct but WHEN we speak the truth matters as much as how loud and often, we're getting our
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#87
+1, TM only defined Youngkin in VA gov race after his poll numbers went down we can define...
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#86
1500 coordinated ignored radio stations is their only unique advantage. see comment below
certainot
Nov 2021
#25
Then we get our own damn news stations, only 64% of democrats believe voter suppression is a
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#73
Just read we are actually under utilizing radio stations in CoC like Miami Dade and South Texas ...
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#94
air america was competing with a well established monopoly. it was mom and pop vs walmart
certainot
Nov 2021
#98
the way to beat rw radio is to destroy it. every advertiser, ad co, as well as university and pro
certainot
Nov 2021
#99
TV, internet are part of the free speech spectrum. rw radio is the only unique advantage they have
certainot
Nov 2021
#97
+1,We have a way we're not using it. We have radio in CoC that are not flooded with our message
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#71
bullshit. when dem and prog 'leaders' figure out the only unique difference is radio the rest is
certainot
Nov 2021
#33
I think you're posting this as a false flag to stir up shit against progressives & promote division
Celerity
Nov 2021
#47
Trumps gish gallop of Trump Horrible could've been defeated with proper mechanics of ......
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#83
They are popular but ***NOT*** calling out what the GQP is doing as evil isn't effective at making
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#59
omg, this should be its own OP itself. The GQP are NOT DOUBT working infrastructure that's ...
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#75
And mine is that we DO have a problem with messaging. And rather than pretending it isn't an issue,
Scrivener7
Nov 2021
#29
Stacy Abrams managed to reach huge swaths of voters we had previously never reached, and
Scrivener7
Nov 2021
#40
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 "but their mechanics are very much worth copying." I've been saying this for ...
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#61
Only 64% of democrats believe Voter Suppression is a problem (link) That's a problem with messaging
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#60
If we made Stacy Abrams the head of the DNC, we would see in retrospect how many
Scrivener7
Nov 2021
#27
+1, SA went to CoC where dem messaging was missing in 2020. Miami Dade was disgusting example
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#76
+1, TM in VA gov race didn't define Trumpkin as a Trumper till late in the race when his polls ...
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#48
+1, the 2020 post mortem said we didn't target PoC communities SPECIFICLY enough we peanut
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#49
THANK YOU !!! Only 64% of democrats think voter suppression is a problem, that's messaging
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#42
+1, " and yes, radio" GQP used it in Miami Dade and gained 200,000 more votes with it
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#81
You already vote, and vote Democratic. You are not one of the people we are not reaching.
Scrivener7
Nov 2021
#32
"I am not" we're not talking about engaged voters like you, we're talking about the 40% of black
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#50
You're right, we don't have to "play their game" but we NO DOUBT need to copy their mechanics
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#67
We're also talking about the Latin American vote, which is beginning to slip away from us and which
Scrivener7
Nov 2021
#64
+1, 2020 South Texas and Miami Dade was a travesty !! Dems act like Stacy Abrams doesn't exist
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#80
it's the VOLUME! the bloody radio is the only unique advantage they have. at $1000/hr worth $5B/yr
certainot
Nov 2021
#23
I would say it's radio and social media, and social media is a more effective vehicle for us.
Scrivener7
Nov 2021
#34
most of the 'successful' social media piggybacks 30 yrs of rw radio - like fox. soc media is
certainot
Nov 2021
#37
I agree that radio is the driver of the right wing. But unless we are going to put a LOT of
Scrivener7
Nov 2021
#38
Q soc media campaign started in nov 2017, 10 mo after limbaugh began attacking 'librul deep state'
certainot
Nov 2021
#44
We don't need to, we can just flood CoC radio stations to be effective, we didn't in 2020 and look
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#90
They have bots on SM that are worked near 100% daily, we can do the same. We lack in Radio ...
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#89
****DEMOCRATS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MESSAGE !!!***** Only 64% of democrats think voter
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#41
K, ONLY 64% of democrats are more likely to expres concern about voter disenfranchisement,.. better?
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#103
Which is still extremely low seeing GQP isn't likely to express concern over suppression at all !!!
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#108
+1, Only 64% of democrats believe Voter Suppression is a problem (link). That's bad messaging
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#57
We need parallel messaging to appeal low and high, and our own media outlet to make noise
bucolic_frolic
Nov 2021
#46
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 We need an messaging infrastructure that works minimum at the same amplitude ...
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#53
We don't have to do that, we can "go high" AND be effective Stacy Abrams was and look what happened
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#79
We can go high and tell the truth too, only 64% of democrats think voter suppression is a problem
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#70
Yes, look at what Stacy Abrams did in CoC ! The 2020 down ballot post mortems said our message
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#68
Only 64% of democrats believe Voter Suppression is a problem (link), there's something wrong with
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#88
Okay, I changed a few words and took out some others and the fact still remains
uponit7771
Nov 2021
#104