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radius777

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35. Agree, I would make antivaxxers sign an informed consent form

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 12:14 AM

Dec 2021

stating that (a) the medical community has found that the vaccines are safe and effective (b) that I nevertheless choose to refuse the vaccine (c) and I thus relinquish all medical care should I contract Covid.

These people are the reason we can't get the pandemic under control. A pandemic is a wartime situation where the collective good must supercede individual rights. What would FDR do? Yeah, you know.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] milestogo Dec 2021 OP

There's just no way Maru Kitteh Dec 2021 #1

In CA, a prisoner demanded his "right" to a new heart. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2021 #44

In CA, a prisoner demanded his "right" to a new heart. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2021 #45

I second this idea. blueinredohio Dec 2021 #2

Mickey Mantle got a liver transplant. I don't necessarily disagree with you, rsdsharp Dec 2021 #3

So did Larry Hagman. nt BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #6

And David Crosby. n/t Mister Ed Dec 2021 #21

Wow, I didn't know that about him. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #27

Alcohol and drugs. n/t ms liberty Dec 2021 #38

I researched it after I saw this thread. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #49

You're right, I'd forgot the hep c. I didn't know about Phi, wow. n/t ms liberty Dec 2021 #51

I always presumed that he needed the transplant because of his severe chemical dependency, but... Mister Ed Dec 2021 #47

Yeah I had a friend who had a liver transplant because of hepatitis C. milestogo Dec 2021 #50

Ha, I posted before I saw your post! BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #53

rich alcoholics get them Demovictory9 Dec 2021 #10

If they come up as the number 1 match for the available donor organ. rsdsharp Dec 2021 #16

And Mantle kept drinking.... SergeStorms Dec 2021 #40

You personally knew Mickey Mantle? Do tell. rsdsharp Dec 2021 #52

Drinking in his restaurant... SergeStorms Dec 2021 #56

Rich alcoholics can probably get anything they need n/t leftstreet Dec 2021 #4

How about smokers? BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #5

Triage? empedocles Dec 2021 #8

We're talking about allocating scarce resources, not refusing care in order to be punitive. milestogo Dec 2021 #11

Ventilators are quite often used in heart operations. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #12

Until its a scarce resource there's no need to choose. milestogo Dec 2021 #15

I live a pretty healthy life. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #20

This isn't happening in a vacuum. milestogo Dec 2021 #22

I don't disagree with you on that. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #26

I've often thought of that recently. My mother was in ICU and on a ventilator back in 2011 Rhiannon12866 Dec 2021 #32

I see alcoholism as a disease, not a choice Skittles Dec 2021 #7

No matter which one it is, they don't get liver transplants milestogo Dec 2021 #13

Yes, they do get liver transplants. Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #33

Uncontrolled alcoholism greatly reduces the chance Mariana Dec 2021 #14

yes, six months Skittles Dec 2021 #23

I know a doctor who doesn't think that alcoholism is a disease because the person can in2herbs Dec 2021 #36

my brother drank himself to death at age 45 Skittles Dec 2021 #39

My sister in law died of alcoholism and was also a kind, sweet, funny woman who I loved very much. CTyankee Dec 2021 #48

It is a slippery slope. But there ought to be some way to factor in poor choices or lifestyle. captain queeg Dec 2021 #9

Alcoholics do get liver transplants. Mariana Dec 2021 #17

Untrue... and when it is true, it isn't as punishment for bad choices FBaggins Dec 2021 #18

Some transplant centers will do them and others won't. milestogo Dec 2021 #19

Depends on the alcoholic; see for instance Mickey Mantle and George Best (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Dec 2021 #24

My husband and I went out to eat tonight Dorian Gray Dec 2021 #25

They should be called the Great Haters. They Hate Greatness because they lack it. nt live love laugh Dec 2021 #28

Separate Cherokee100 Dec 2021 #29

Care Teams and specialist support used for such patients diminishes and depletes care available Ford_Prefect Dec 2021 #30

Your title/premise is just plain wrong. Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #31

Triaging COVID Patients Has Already Been Done In Some Places GB_RN Dec 2021 #34

Agree, I would make antivaxxers sign an informed consent form radius777 Dec 2021 #35

So we are reopening Manzanar? hardluck Dec 2021 #43

Alcoholism also causes heart problems. AncientAndy Dec 2021 #37

That's different. Liberty Belle Dec 2021 #41

Ok so what if it's two vaccinated people and only one hospital bed? AncientAndy Dec 2021 #42

NIH says "it's unethical to refuse treatment to patients for diseases that are preventable" Bucky Dec 2021 #46

Mickey Mantle got one. BannonsLiver Dec 2021 #54

Miles, this is a fantastic post and a fantastic point. PTWB Dec 2021 #55

Republicans got their DEATH PANELS after all? Brainfodder Dec 2021 #57