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MellowDem

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47. Seems like a strawman...

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 10:45 PM

Jan 2012

since I don't know of a significant group of progressives or liberals supporting Ron Paul, and indeed, Tim Wise fails to provide who these progressives and liberals are.

But, there is never a group more easy to bash than "certain white liberals". Hell, even conservatives know this. They're the worst of the worst. Privileged and rightous yet secretly conservative seems to always be the charge. Conservatives think of them as weenie traitors. And people like Tim Wise think of them as inherently flawed, earnesty naive, and more dangerous than conservatives, who at least are open about their inherent inability to do right.

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Tim Wise: Of Broken Clocks, Presidential Candidates, and the Confusion of Certain White Liberals [View all] PeaceNikki Jan 2012 OP

race-baiting trash cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #1

The essay? Are you familiar with his work? Did you read the whole piece or just the snip I posted? PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #2

You should get more acquainted with Tim Wise's work. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #18

read up on him... it's worth it fascisthunter Jan 2012 #55

can someone provide a list of liberals and progressives who are allegedly supporting paul? frylock Jan 2012 #3

No kidding... 99Forever Jan 2012 #4

It's the cult of the moment to emphasize how much against him you are. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #13

That's funny! hootinholler Jan 2012 #49

South Asia? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #53

Wow, Mr. Wise does not pull his punches... Spazito Jan 2012 #5

He never does, his essays are always powerful. PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #7

I am definitely going to make a point of reading his essays from now on... Spazito Jan 2012 #8

DU rec! LoZoccolo Jan 2012 #6

Time Wise deserves a lifetime service award from every black organization (imho) Number23 Jan 2012 #9

Ah yes, that bogie man Paul, MadHound Jan 2012 #10

lol, if you think Tim Wise is a 'liberal basher', you're very very wrong. PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #11

Well, given that he is liberal bashing in this piece, MadHound Jan 2012 #17

Oh please ProSense Jan 2012 #19

First of all, the notion that "some liberals" are "fawning" over Paul is simply a stalking horse MadHound Jan 2012 #21

Nobody on DU wants to post written articles by these assholes. Did you lose your Google CD-ROM? PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #23

Well, how about you PM the names of white liberals of minimal influence that are supporting Paul. Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #27

Edited as I responded to wrong post. Spazito Jan 2012 #31

see my post down the thread DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #142

Yeah ProSense Jan 2012 #32

actually, people are using paul as a stalking horse to trash obama. first it was DK, then elizabeth dionysus Jan 2012 #33

+1. n/t FSogol Jan 2012 #110

See post #97 stevenleser Jan 2012 #104

See post #115 frylock Jan 2012 #116

See post #122 stevenleser Jan 2012 #130

which liberals are "fawning" over ron paul? frylock Jan 2012 #34

Sure, ProSense Jan 2012 #37

i didn't ask for one of your circular links.. frylock Jan 2012 #40

Well, ProSense Jan 2012 #42

okay, i'm gonna type this reeeeeeal slow-like so you can fully understand.. frylock Jan 2012 #43

Since ProSense Jan 2012 #44

which liberals are "fawning" over ron paul? frylock Jan 2012 #59

You will never get an answer. And yet that NonAnswer is celebrated on DU as "facts". Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #95

You'd have better luck asking a Coke machine. Union Scribe Jan 2012 #145

See post #97 stevenleser Jan 2012 #105

See post #115 frylock Jan 2012 #117

See post #122 stevenleser Jan 2012 #131

It's not a liberal bashing piece. PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #22

Paul has become the convenient shorthand of Obama diehards. MadHound Jan 2012 #25

lol. PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #26

Gosh, that almost reads like a defense of him... Spazito Jan 2012 #28

Madhound, I usually agree with you... markpkessinger Jan 2012 #60

still waiting on that list of "liberals who support Paul" frylock Jan 2012 #35

Did you, too, lose your Google CD-ROM? PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #38

then it should be real simple for you to provide names. right? frylock Jan 2012 #41

we liberals are part of the new Red Scare! fascisthunter Jan 2012 #67

are you now, or have you ever been a supporter of ron paul? frylock Jan 2012 #69

Hier ist mein Paperz!!!!! fascisthunter Jan 2012 #72

Someone even took the time to collect dissident posts. It's a long ass list... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #96

Have you consorted with TEH GLENN GREEWALD!1!?? kenny blankenship Jan 2012 #153

Considering the author mentions Glenn Greenwald in his freaking article Number23 Jan 2012 #54

so anything Glenn Greenwald is YOUR Problem? fascisthunter Jan 2012 #58

Darling, PLEASE try to keep up if you are going to continue running around DU Number23 Jan 2012 #71

haha... you are full of it fascisthunter Jan 2012 #74

If by "it" you mean disgust at simple-minded people that want to argue and disagree Number23 Jan 2012 #76

the ironing is delicious frylock Jan 2012 #79

If I give you $5 a cookie, will you pester someone else? Number23 Jan 2012 #83

nah, i'm cool frylock Jan 2012 #85

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #146

Still arguing with yourself, I see Number23 Jan 2012 #147

okay! we got some names.. frylock Jan 2012 #62

If you read the damned article, you'd get the very thing you are trying your absolute HARDEST Number23 Jan 2012 #73

we've been over the greenwald argument for what? 3 weeks now? frylock Jan 2012 #78

I can see why Spazito is about to bust a gut laughing at you down thread Number23 Jan 2012 #81

you're making an argument in defense of the article man! frylock Jan 2012 #87

See post #97 stevenleser Jan 2012 #103

See post #115 frylock Jan 2012 #118

See post #122 stevenleser Jan 2012 #132

See post #97 stevenleser Jan 2012 #106

See post #115 frylock Jan 2012 #119

See post #122 stevenleser Jan 2012 #133

Yeah, it is. No liberals are supporting Ron Paul eridani Jan 2012 #102

See post #97 stevenleser Jan 2012 #107

See post #115 frylock Jan 2012 #120

If Wise is bashing any Liberals he's bashing those who MicaelS Jan 2012 #24

But alll those liberal Paul supporters are a simply not named... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #36

This passage is sublime Number23 Jan 2012 #12

Yup, that sums it up. PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #14

Oh, and his closing para is a VERY close second Number23 Jan 2012 #16

Ouch! Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #15

K&R BumRushDaShow Jan 2012 #20

Strange he used the TSA & weed as examples raouldukelives Jan 2012 #29

Read the whole piece. PeaceNikki Jan 2012 #30

I totally get that raouldukelives Jan 2012 #128

Love Love Tim Wise! 1stlady Jan 2012 #39

K&R SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #45

Idiot Ron Paul has the democratic establishment crapping their pants whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #46

Actually, if you read the thread, it is not people supporting the article... Spazito Jan 2012 #48

Crapping their whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #50

Yep, all the 'give me a list' stuff I'm starting to see... Spazito Jan 2012 #51

Tim Wise whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #52

Anything but what??? Spazito Jan 2012 #56

Wise :D whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #57

That was very...... Spazito Jan 2012 #64

i know! wanting people to back up their shit.. frylock Jan 2012 #64

You want names of exactly who? and from whom? and why? Spazito Jan 2012 #68

names of the "liberals and progressives" that support ron paul.. frylock Jan 2012 #70

It is Mr. Wise that makes that claim in his article... Spazito Jan 2012 #75

the argument here is what, exactly, defines support.. frylock Jan 2012 #77

Well, your posts are using the word "support" when asking for names... Spazito Jan 2012 #82

why would i email mr. wise when his evangelists are to answer instead? frylock Jan 2012 #84

I have tried to help you find the answers you seem to want quite badly.... Spazito Jan 2012 #86

here's the answer. there is no answer. why? because these supporters don't exist.. frylock Jan 2012 #88

ROFL... Spazito Jan 2012 #89

Try this LINK: FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #90

jeesus.. frylock Jan 2012 #92

here you go DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #97

>Crickets< stevenleser Jan 2012 #108

so they've stated, unequivically, that they's be voting for paul.. frylock Jan 2012 #115

Perhaps you should read the OP article. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #122

I quoted the end of the article DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #152

"support"? Plantsmantx Jan 2012 #127

right?! it's positively laughable! frylock Jan 2012 #63

Seems like a strawman... MellowDem Jan 2012 #47

nobody seem to know who these "liberals and progressives" are.. frylock Jan 2012 #66

..... Capn Sunshine Jan 2012 #144

The self-identified liberals and possibly Democrats who voted for Ron Paul in NH? joshcryer Jan 2012 #148

See post #97 above. stevenleser Jan 2012 #109

See post #115 frylock Jan 2012 #121

See post #122 stevenleser Jan 2012 #129

Can anyone show that there such supporters? Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #61

It's the craziest shit to me jsmirman Jan 2012 #100

Not sure what you are speaking of? I don't like Paul, and my point is that anyone Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #114

I was agreeing with you, pretty much completely jsmirman Jan 2012 #123

Tim Wise is one of my favorites JI7 Jan 2012 #80

I just wonder if he would allow gay people to have the same feelings dsc Jan 2012 #91

This is a most excellent question. Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #113

An amazingly good question cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #125

Absolutely ProSense Jan 2012 #137

you have repeatedly brought up 1992 dsc Jan 2012 #138

I'm ProSense Jan 2012 #139

I don't know what the CGI is dsc Jan 2012 #140

K and R DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #93

and just in case people forgot to read this DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #94

I can only speak for myself as to why I deliberately didn't name Greenwald... Spazito Jan 2012 #124

Exactly. It is so much more fulfilling apparently for some to run up and down Number23 Jan 2012 #135

Yep, I have to say I found it absolutely hilarious... Spazito Jan 2012 #136

What the fuck is the deal with the no accountability and no responsibility for elected officials TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #98

"omnipotent hood ornaments".. Fumesucker Jan 2012 #101

he never told people to shut up DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #143

Home Run for Tim. joshcryer Jan 2012 #99

K & R. n/t FSogol Jan 2012 #111

Oh, I looked all through Good Reads before posting this article there this AM Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #112

How will...which black people feel? Plantsmantx Jan 2012 #126

Posted ProSense Jan 2012 #134

I can get behind this. Arkana Jan 2012 #141

thank you for this! nofurylike Jan 2012 #149

K&R Bobbie Jo Jan 2012 #150

K & R Scurrilous Jan 2012 #151

And who are all these liberals who are supposedly praising Ron Paul??? Beacool Jan 2012 #154

Everyone who is not actively worshipping Obama is implicitly supporting Ron Paul kenny blankenship Jan 2012 #155

Yeah, it seems that way. Beacool Jan 2012 #156

Hmm... Plantsmantx Jan 2012 #157

Good point. Beacool Jan 2012 #158