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radius777

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15. Green Energy and fair trade is the key to the future

Reply to BlueBlud (Original post)

Sat Dec 25, 2021, 08:30 PM

Dec 2021

it would create jobs in America and free the democratic countries across the world from the totalitarian ones - whose power tends to come from fossil fuels. We're intertwined with the Middle East because of oil; Putin has a grip on Europe because of the pipeline.

NAFTA was supposed to a 'fair trade' deal that created open hemispheric trade that could help reduce dependence on China, and would reduce illegal immigration from Mexico. If properly implemented it would've worked IMO.

I just wish Dems would sell these concepts better. Most voters don't care about climate change because they don't care about anything long term or existential. But voters do care about American dominance, national security and jobs - and that is how 'green' and 'fair trade' should be sold. Hillary tried doing this in 2016 ie 'making America the green superpower.' Obama wanted TPP to help neutralize China.

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Classic Capitalism will see us stomped by China. [View all] BlueBlud Dec 2021 OP

Nixon thought it was a good idea to trade with a communist country on the other doc03 Dec 2021 #1

I have pushed for years, for a AMERICA trade bloc. With us investing in S and C America. BlueBlud Dec 2021 #2

We had NAFTA but Republicans blamed it doc03 Dec 2021 #8

No, it was not just Republicans. former9thward Dec 2021 #9

That's true about unions but I never saw even doc03 Dec 2021 #10

Hello from a fellow steelworker myself. former9thward Dec 2021 #11

My last car a Ford Fusion was assembled there. The Honda CRV was assembled doc03 Dec 2021 #12

Bill Clinton believed NAFTA could serve as counterbalance to China radius777 Dec 2021 #14

That's too complex an argument for most Americans Buckeyeblue Dec 2021 #21

If nafta had included environmental and worker protections, it would have been beneficial, not a job BlueBlud Dec 2021 #18

I have also for years (since I saw the offshoring of manufacturing in the 1980s) harumph Dec 2021 #3

+1 n/t area51 Dec 2021 #22

Left and right, people in this country see ones gain as another's loss. David__77 Dec 2021 #4

Our GDP per capita (PPP) is $68,309. China's is $18,931 or 28% of ours Klaralven Dec 2021 #5

It's not the dollars, it's the buying power FakeNoose Dec 2021 #13

Do you believe their system of government is preferable to ours ? MichMan Dec 2021 #6

No, but we STILL have to compete. BlueBlud Dec 2021 #16

They don't have freedom treestar Dec 2021 #7

What does that mean? How much freedom will we be able to afford? BlueBlud Dec 2021 #17

First Amendment treestar Jan 2022 #24

Green Energy and fair trade is the key to the future radius777 Dec 2021 #15

Trade agreements have a bad name TheFarseer Dec 2021 #23

Why do we have to compete? Let's let it go. Ron Green Dec 2021 #19

Just one problem ... Xoan Dec 2021 #20