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Mr. Sparkle

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Fri Jan 28, 2022, 07:56 AM Jan 2022

'I want you to see what a s***show America is': Frank Luntz warns the UK [View all]

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But during his more recent sojourn there, he said he had a chance to reflect on the trends that have shaped US politics over the last several years and compare them to those on the other side of the “special relationship”. He told his guests the clip they were about to see demonstrated the difference between the two countries right now in a way that did not reflect well on his homeland. “I want to show you what a s***show America is,” he said. What followed had more in common with an old episode of The Jerry Springer Show than the focus groups for which Luntz has become known over the years. Instead of a calm, thoughtful moderated discussion, the participants screamed at each other.

One elderly man ranted about how “God chooses the colour of our skin,” while another droned on about how “economic opportunity for Blacks just has increased dramatically” because “they” were “all over Hollywood” and in “every other commercial”. The clip ended before things degenerated even further, at which point Luntz explained why he’d wanted to put that shocking material on display. “This is what I hear. I don't hear this in the UK … I don’t want to hear this,” he said. Luntz said he had brought that horrific video clip with him to meetings with “a number of shadow Labour” leaders, as well as with prominent Conservatives and Liberal Democrats. “This is my warning to you,” he explained. “This is s***, this is a disaster, and it will come if you let it happen”.


Many Democrats trace the “disaster” Luntz spoke of back to 1994, when Republicans used language and talking points he had crafted for them to convince US voters to give them control of the House of Representatives for the first time in decades. Four years before that, the then-leader of the House GOP, Newt Gingrich had enlisted Luntz to develop talking points for his political action committee, Gopac. A memorandum he allegedly wrote for Gopac called Language: A Key Mechanism of Control lays out “contrasting words” for Republicans to use when talking about Democrats. But in a 2019 interview with Mother Jones, he denied having anything to do with the document, calling it “as cynical and evil as anything that’s been written in American politics and “the most destructive political memo written in modern politics” because “all it did” was “teach hate and division”. The result, he said, was that America’s democracy had “seized up”.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/frank-luntz-polls-us-boris-johnson-b2002106.html
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He should be doing this presentation in the US not the UK. gab13by13 Jan 2022 #1
Yes. Wingus Dingus Jan 2022 #37
I love how these educated right wingers PCIntern Jan 2022 #2
He created the shit show tavernier Jan 2022 #5
Yep - until he says "this is the mess I played a big role in creating" Cosmocat Jan 2022 #13
Frank Luntz quotes Steve Urkel. GoCubsGo Jan 2022 #3
Thanks, Dr. Luntz-Frankenstein. Whatever. betsuni Jan 2022 #4
It seems like the natural consequence of a two party system Klaralven Jan 2022 #6
Competition is a natural consequence of a two party system. Lying and cheating is just that. TigressDem Jan 2022 #9
Politicians have been lying and cheating forever Klaralven Jan 2022 #12
Sounds like false equivalence.. whathehell Jan 2022 #18
The Democratic Party, pre-Civil War, would probably be right up there Klaralven Jan 2022 #20
Yes, well, that WAS over one and a half centuries ago.. whathehell Jan 2022 #21
William M. Tweed -- more recently Klaralven Jan 2022 #24
William M.Tweed, 1823 - 1878? whathehell Jan 2022 #27
Yep. TigressDem Jan 2022 #47
Hi Tigress whathehell Jan 2022 #51
Well, that was what tar and feathers were for. TigressDem Jan 2022 #46
Is he signing his work? C_U_L8R Jan 2022 #7
Our National loonesy stems from the British. Omnipresent Jan 2022 #8
And we've now Lapped them 10 times. BannonsLiver Jan 2022 #19
Nah, they've been at it longer.. whathehell Jan 2022 #23
Lunacy. Wingus Dingus Jan 2022 #36
"Contrasting words" Baitball Blogger Jan 2022 #10
Yeah because the UK is a bastion of racial and ethnic harmony Takket Jan 2022 #11
Bingo. geardaddy Jan 2022 #32
Luntz is a professional corporate media liar. We need to change the Libel laws in the US. sop Jan 2022 #14
He, his lame tup and his stupid ass shoes can all go fuck themselves. He created this, along Carlitos Brigante Jan 2022 #15
I have been discussing this Chernevog Jan 2022 #16
Good First Post, But... ProfessorGAC Jan 2022 #40
Nice post, welcome to DU! Mr. Sparkle Jan 2022 #45
You know who would be the party to string Jesus up in our time and call him a traitor, RIGHT? TigressDem Jan 2022 #48
"I helped turn America into a shitshow and got PAID to do it - want to see?" hatrack Jan 2022 #17
The problem is that Luntz was extra good at formulating talking points. LakeArenal Jan 2022 #26
And so now he's . . . what, begging forgiveness? What's the point of this schtick? hatrack Jan 2022 #50
I guess. Maybe he could turn some good talking points against "THEM". LakeArenal Jan 2022 #52
Own it or go home Frankie. Boomerproud Jan 2022 #22
Luntz is the problem. skip fox Jan 2022 #25
All his presentation needed to be was him standing there. He created the "DemoCRAT" as adjective UTUSN Jan 2022 #28
And his toupee looks goofy as well poli-junkie Jan 2022 #29
Luntz has gall to narrate a cautionary tale to the UK peggysue2 Jan 2022 #30
The United States is an open air insane asylum inwiththenew Jan 2022 #31
Well he's not wrong! Initech Jan 2022 #33
Fuck Luntz geardaddy Jan 2022 #34
A Trumpery lawyer bears false (presumably) witness against Luntz. He can't get work in the US. Marcuse Jan 2022 #35
I looked for the list of "contrasting words." Here it is, from 1995: chia Jan 2022 #38
Frank Luntz & Newt Gingrich brought this on. Isn't this what they wanted? Hekate Jan 2022 #39
Imagine if a Democrat had done this... Grins Jan 2022 #41
Hannity Slammer Jan 2022 #43
classic takedown of Luntz krkaufman Jan 2022 #42
It wasn't us vilifying them. It was straight one-way Mr. Luntz. mahina Jan 2022 #44
You KNOW it's BAD when the guy who invented it is trying to distance himself from it. nt TigressDem Jan 2022 #49
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