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radius777

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53. To defend the West and democracy,
Mon Jan 31, 2022, 05:56 PM
Jan 2022

and stop Russian expansionism. They cannot be allowed to invade an sovereign country. The annexation of Crimea was bad enough and should've been dealt with more harshly.

NATO is already helping Ukraine, who wants to be in NATO, and only isn't due to West appeasing Putin, instead of standing up to him like we should.

Bill Clinton and NATO was correct in the 90s to deal with the genocide in Bosnia, and iirc had to go around Russia to do so.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/clinton-and-policing-world-bosnia/
In 1995 in central Europe, Bosnian Serbs had begun wiping out the largely Muslim population in their own country. That July, violence reached a climax when Bosnian Serb soldiers overran the city of Srebrenica and murdered more than 8,000 defenseless men and boys. "That was a real shock for everyone," says Kofi Annan, U.N. Secretary-General. "And for that to happen in Europe, many decades after World War II, was something that nobody could sit back and swallow." In response, President Clinton initiated Operation Deliberate Force, a massive NATO military response. "He didn't blink," National Security Coordinator Richard Clarke said. "We knew that day that we had a commander-in-chief who was rational and comfortable with the use of force."
We made a treaty w NATO partners. Chin music Jan 2022 #1
This is where I am as well Bettie Jan 2022 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #4
The US has no treaty obligation with respect to Ukraine Klaralven Jan 2022 #6
So, you think it would be cool to allow Bettie Jan 2022 #7
Most former Warsaw Pact members are now members of NATO, so they are covered by treaty. Klaralven Jan 2022 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #10
That's the point I was planning to make Bettie Jan 2022 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #14
Ukraine is not a NATO member Klaralven Jan 2022 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #16
I don't know what you mean muriel_volestrangler Jan 2022 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #35
You need to express yourself better muriel_volestrangler Jan 2022 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #46
Ukraine is 'NATO allied' and should be a NATO member radius777 Jan 2022 #43
But they're not n/t Polybius Jan 2022 #49
No war period. Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #32
It's what I've been thinking as well, Chin music. At some point Uncle Sam's word ... Hekate Jan 2022 #26
Re: staring down the jaws of the Russian Bear... Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #38
Putin is attacking the EU the way he's attacking the US: with propaganda and cyber-weapons Hekate Jan 2022 #39
"Security assurances" as presented in your post is a bit vague. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #40
Didn't mean to be snarky about my search; just indicating there's a lot--and a lot I needed reminding Hekate Jan 2022 #41
We have no treaty with Ukraine. former9thward Jan 2022 #31
Ukraine isn't in NATO Polybius Jan 2022 #48
To defend the West and democracy, radius777 Jan 2022 #53
Screw that Polybius Jan 2022 #54
It's not about nation building like Iraq was, which was a war of choice. radius777 Feb 2022 #62
The Ukraine isn't in NATO iemanja Jan 2022 #55
Yep, this is apples and oranges. GoCubsGo Feb 2022 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2022 #61
America is a one party system when it comes to war. Magoo48 Jan 2022 #3
Russia is already at war with us. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #5
We were the Ukraine when Trump was President. Texaswitchy Jan 2022 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #11
Calling it "the Ukraine" is Soviet speak -- stop that, please. W_HAMILTON Jan 2022 #30
Ok Texaswitchy Jan 2022 #37
Progressives trust Biden's leadership on Russia wellst0nev0ter Jan 2022 #13
Curious article, the author seems to be taking issue w/ progs taking stances that 80+% of DU agrees Celerity Jan 2022 #17
We now have a President with other tools .... albacore Jan 2022 #18
Yep. Texaswitchy Jan 2022 #20
Good points Hekate Jan 2022 #27
+1 crickets Jan 2022 #29
Anybody who wants to play the Ghandian role and lay in front of Russian tanks has my support. tirebiter Jan 2022 #19
I have cousins distant but still family in Czech Republic. Texaswitchy Jan 2022 #22
How are they doing now? Klaralven Jan 2022 #23
Ok. Texaswitchy Jan 2022 #25
All the best to them Hekate Jan 2022 #28
I'm certainly not on the Russian side... albacore Jan 2022 #33
There isn't going to be war with Russia iemanja Jan 2022 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #24
Media Issue. They're fake not-pushing for War with Russia. haele Jan 2022 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #45
"war" is a Strawman amaico Jan 2022 #44
This should be handled by the European Union and we need to Emile Jan 2022 #47
NOBODY IS ARGUING WE SHOULD BE ATTACKING RUSSIA. Tommy Carcetti Jan 2022 #50
Thank you! nt GoCubsGo Feb 2022 #60
I wasn't aware we were going to war with Russia... brooklynite Jan 2022 #51
It's a Strawman poll amaico Jan 2022 #52
Some folks posted elsewhere here on DU ... electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author Roisin Ni Fiachra Feb 2022 #57
Putin is working to destabilize Ukraine from within first. Roisin Ni Fiachra Feb 2022 #58
+1. Putin is waging information warfare across the globe. radius777 Feb 2022 #63
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