Putin is working to destabilize Ukraine from within first. (Reply #58)

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Tue Feb 1, 2022, 09:20 AM

58. Putin is working to destabilize Ukraine from within first.

A destabilized, weakened country is so much easier to invade, conquer, and occupy than a stable nation.

It's just how he rolls.

Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House

There is also apparent confirmation that the Kremlin possesses kompromat, or potentially compromising material, on the future president, collected – the document says – from Trump’s earlier “non-official visits to Russian Federation territory”.

The paper refers to “certain events” that happened during Trump’s trips to Moscow. Security council members are invited to find details in appendix five, at paragraph five, the document states. It is unclear what the appendix contains.

“It is acutely necessary to use all possible force to facilitate his [Trump’s] election to the post of US president,” the paper says.

This would help bring about Russia’s favoured “theoretical political scenario”. A Trump win “will definitely lead to the destabilisation of the US’s sociopolitical system” and see hidden discontent burst into the open, it predicts.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house

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63 replies	Author	Time	Post
Most Americans Don't Want War With Russia. Where Are Progressives? [View all]	Klaralven	Jan 2022	OP
We made a treaty w NATO partners.	Chin music	Jan 2022	#1
This is where I am as well	Bettie	Jan 2022	#2
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Jan 2022	#4
The US has no treaty obligation with respect to Ukraine	Klaralven	Jan 2022	#6
So, you think it would be cool to allow	Bettie	Jan 2022	#7
Most former Warsaw Pact members are now members of NATO, so they are covered by treaty.	Klaralven	Jan 2022	#9
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Jan 2022	#10
That's the point I was planning to make	Bettie	Jan 2022	#12
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Jan 2022	#14
Ukraine is not a NATO member	Klaralven	Jan 2022	#15
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Jan 2022	#16
I don't know what you mean	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2022	#34
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Jan 2022	#35
You need to express yourself better	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2022	#36
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Jan 2022	#46
Ukraine is 'NATO allied' and should be a NATO member	radius777	Jan 2022	#43
But they're not n/t	Polybius	Jan 2022	#49
No war period.	Demsrule86	Jan 2022	#32
It's what I've been thinking as well, Chin music. At some point Uncle Sam's word ...	Hekate	Jan 2022	#26
Re: staring down the jaws of the Russian Bear...	Jedi Guy	Jan 2022	#38
Putin is attacking the EU the way he's attacking the US: with propaganda and cyber-weapons	Hekate	Jan 2022	#39
"Security assurances" as presented in your post is a bit vague.	Jedi Guy	Jan 2022	#40
Didn't mean to be snarky about my search; just indicating there's a lot--and a lot I needed reminding	Hekate	Jan 2022	#41
We have no treaty with Ukraine.	former9thward	Jan 2022	#31
Ukraine isn't in NATO	Polybius	Jan 2022	#48
To defend the West and democracy,	radius777	Jan 2022	#53
Screw that	Polybius	Jan 2022	#54
It's not about nation building like Iraq was, which was a war of choice.	radius777	Feb 2022	#62
The Ukraine isn't in NATO	iemanja	Jan 2022	#55
Yep, this is apples and oranges.	GoCubsGo	Feb 2022	#59
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Feb 2022	#61
America is a one party system when it comes to war.	Magoo48	Jan 2022	#3
Russia is already at war with us.	Irish_Dem	Jan 2022	#5
We were the Ukraine when Trump was President.	Texaswitchy	Jan 2022	#8
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Jan 2022	#11
Calling it "the Ukraine" is Soviet speak -- stop that, please.	W_HAMILTON	Jan 2022	#30
Ok	Texaswitchy	Jan 2022	#37
Progressives trust Biden's leadership on Russia	wellst0nev0ter	Jan 2022	#13
Curious article, the author seems to be taking issue w/ progs taking stances that 80+% of DU agrees	Celerity	Jan 2022	#17
We now have a President with other tools ....	albacore	Jan 2022	#18
Yep.	Texaswitchy	Jan 2022	#20
Good points	Hekate	Jan 2022	#27
+1	crickets	Jan 2022	#29
Anybody who wants to play the Ghandian role and lay in front of Russian tanks has my support.	tirebiter	Jan 2022	#19
I have cousins distant but still family in Czech Republic.	Texaswitchy	Jan 2022	#22
How are they doing now?	Klaralven	Jan 2022	#23
Ok.	Texaswitchy	Jan 2022	#25
All the best to them	Hekate	Jan 2022	#28
I'm certainly not on the Russian side...	albacore	Jan 2022	#33
There isn't going to be war with Russia	iemanja	Jan 2022	#21
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Jan 2022	#24
Media Issue. They're fake not-pushing for War with Russia.	haele	Jan 2022	#42
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Jan 2022	#45
"war" is a Strawman	amaico	Jan 2022	#44
This should be handled by the European Union and we need to	Emile	Jan 2022	#47
NOBODY IS ARGUING WE SHOULD BE ATTACKING RUSSIA.	Tommy Carcetti	Jan 2022	#50
Thank you! nt	GoCubsGo	Feb 2022	#60
I wasn't aware we were going to war with Russia...	brooklynite	Jan 2022	#51
It's a Strawman poll	amaico	Jan 2022	#52
Some folks posted elsewhere here on DU ...	electric_blue68	Feb 2022	#56
This message was self-deleted by its author	Roisin Ni Fiachra	Feb 2022	#57
Putin is working to destabilize Ukraine from within first.	Roisin Ni Fiachra	Feb 2022	#58
+1. Putin is waging information warfare across the globe.	radius777	Feb 2022	#63

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