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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]harumph
(1,898 posts)13. What about a 10 year mutually agreed hiatus on possible
admittance of Ukraine to NATO? After 10 years, a UN supervised Ukrainian national referendum is held -
and both sides agree to respect the outcome.
Much can happen in 10 years. Possibly, both
Russian and the US can concentrate on climate change that offers
peril and opportunities for both nations. If Ukraine hadn't gotten rid
of their nukes - we wouldn't be having the conversation.
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+1, US still is the 800 lb gorilla when it comes to stand military especially navy
uponit7771
Feb 2022
#50
Putin isn't "crazy". He's hungry and greedy, but he's also historically literate.
Bucky
Feb 2022
#69
They're behind every right-wing scheme lately. If in doubt, look at the next trucker target:
lagomorph777
Feb 2022
#25
Honestly, we'd raise hell too if Putin tried to put troops or missles in Cuba, South America, etc.
Hoyt
Feb 2022
#10
Russia has basically attacked our country with interfering in our elections
rockfordfile
Feb 2022
#41
Is your overt whataboutism saying it was OK for them to do so? Yeah, we're hypocrits and Putin
uponit7771
Feb 2022
#58
No one said they did, they helped Trump and that was bad enough. Also, Clinton only got 100k less...
uponit7771
Feb 2022
#64
And those tensions were intentionally exploited by Russian propagandists. nt
Tommy Carcetti
Feb 2022
#77
Now, be fair. We've pretty much stayed out of elections in other countries.
Captain Stern
Feb 2022
#61
Yes, but you're still missing the point if you think the Captain was disagreeing with you.
Bucky
Feb 2022
#75
one suspects the real goal is to re-establish the old soviet union with dictator putin nt
msongs
Feb 2022
#21
Well, it is attached to the Ukrainian mainland, so I would beg to differ there.
Tommy Carcetti
Feb 2022
#28
Yes I should have said "around 5 miles of geographic connection to Ukraine..."
WarGamer
Feb 2022
#29
if "Crimea was sovereign territory of the Ukraine" then it was their sovereign right to realign.
Bucky
Feb 2022
#91
+1, anyone who's heard the story of what he was doing on the day crap hit the fan in USSR ...
uponit7771
Feb 2022
#62
I heard earlier that Ukraine is starting up their own military exercises...
electric_blue68
Feb 2022
#43
People making it sound like Crimea was Putin's Sudetenland seriously need to read some history
Bucky
Feb 2022
#94
The OP keeps saying Putin's intent is neighborly, and we are silly alarmists to worry...
Hekate
Feb 2022
#115
The port of Sevastopol has always been the main Black Sea port of the Russian Navy...
Bucky
Feb 2022
#97
I don't know about metals or minerals resources but when I was growing up in the...
electric_blue68
Feb 2022
#114
Ukraine is a sovereign nation and should be in NATO. Putin can go F himself.
radius777
Feb 2022
#110
Right? Ukraine is a sovereign state. As such, they should be free to join NATO if it is the
Roisin Ni Fiachra
Feb 2022
#117
Biden tells U.S. citizens to leave Ukraine immediately amid 'troubling' signs of Russian escalation
sarisataka
Feb 2022
#136