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Tommy Carcetti

(43,153 posts)
24. They seemed fine with seeking territory in Crimea.
Tue Feb 8, 2022, 04:21 PM
Feb 2022

So I don't think that's entirely accurate.

Now, does Russia want all of Ukraine? Probably not. The Western part, where the Ukrainian national sentiment and language is the very strongest, would undoubtedly put up a very strong fight. And the mountainous terrain in that section of the country would favor them heavily.

But I think Putin would certainly not mind at least part of Ukraine.

Including Kyiv, the birthplace of the ancient Rus empire to which both Ukraine and Russia draw their roots but which is firmly in the hands of Ukraine and Ukraine alone.

Notably though, any move by Russia against Kyiv or another more easterly city of Ukraine--such as Kharkiv or Odessa--would likely not be the cakewalk Moscow thinks it would. Ukrainian national sentiment in those cities is also very strong, even as there is more of a linguistic mix of Ukrainian and Russian being spoken.

He's forcing NATO to admit Ukraine. lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #1
lol.. won't happen. WarGamer Feb 2022 #2
You mean "they're reliant on Russian natural gas" (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Feb 2022 #31
that's part of it... WarGamer Feb 2022 #32
There's just no way on God's Green Earth Ukraine can join NATO. Sorry. Bucky Feb 2022 #67
Russia's Military, Once Creaky, Is Modern and Lethal ItsjustMe Feb 2022 #3
that thread looks familiar... WarGamer Feb 2022 #4
Yeah, largely overblown. Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #11
+1, US still is the 800 lb gorilla when it comes to stand military especially navy uponit7771 Feb 2022 #50
I think thatdemguy Feb 2022 #5
Your explanation makes sense but... Buckeyeblue Feb 2022 #6
Putin isn't "crazy". He's hungry and greedy, but he's also historically literate. Bucky Feb 2022 #69
Russia can have a fucking shit sandwich Takket Feb 2022 #7
You need to understand the EU... particularly Germany WarGamer Feb 2022 #8
What tells me everything I need to know EndlessWire Feb 2022 #36
Merkel is a member of the Chrisitan Democratic Union iemanja Feb 2022 #53
Yes, that is the point - Merkel has retired muriel_volestrangler Feb 2022 #99
Which is why... if you read my post... WarGamer Feb 2022 #106
fair enough iemanja Feb 2022 #107
Russia's behind the Canadian truckers? leftstreet Feb 2022 #18
They're behind every right-wing scheme lately. If in doubt, look at the next trucker target: lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #25
They support a LOT of right wing shenanigans. Especially in central Europe. Bucky Feb 2022 #76
Didn't they take Crimea? BlueCheeseAgain Feb 2022 #9
Yup. nt Tommy Carcetti Feb 2022 #30
You gotta understand the history, however. Bucky Feb 2022 #81
That was the same excuse that Hitler used to take Sur Zobra Feb 2022 #112
Honestly, we'd raise hell too if Putin tried to put troops or missles in Cuba, South America, etc. Hoyt Feb 2022 #10
precisely. WarGamer Feb 2022 #12
Errr what's your point? Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #14
I'm against all the war-drum BS. It's that simple, Hoosier. I guarantee if Hoyt Feb 2022 #15
Okay, why not just say that? Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #17
I did. Thought I was pretty clear. Hoyt Feb 2022 #20
What about Putin's war on the Ukraine iemanja Feb 2022 #54
We've done some killing too. I support sanctions, but not sending troops. Hoyt Feb 2022 #56
None of that justifies EndlessWire Feb 2022 #39
yep uponit7771 Feb 2022 #55
Why even pretend we are going to engage them. Did they engage us when we invaded Hoyt Feb 2022 #59
Yes, we DO have to play the game & assert we'll protect Nato's flanks. Bucky Feb 2022 #70
Russia has basically attacked our country with interfering in our elections rockfordfile Feb 2022 #41
Yeah, like we haven't meddled in their and other country's elections. Hoyt Feb 2022 #45
Is your overt whataboutism saying it was OK for them to do so? Yeah, we're hypocrits and Putin uponit7771 Feb 2022 #58
Russia didn't give us trump. Democrats not showing up at polls and Hoyt Feb 2022 #60
No one said they did, they helped Trump and that was bad enough. Also, Clinton only got 100k less... uponit7771 Feb 2022 #64
The problem was Democrats pouting because Sanders or Warren weren't nominated Hoyt Feb 2022 #65
And those tensions were intentionally exploited by Russian propagandists. nt Tommy Carcetti Feb 2022 #77
Well, those "tensions" weren't necessary, and came first. As I said, Hoyt Feb 2022 #79
Just because someone else spilled the gasoline... Tommy Carcetti Feb 2022 #100
👍 NurseJackie Feb 2022 #104
Not Warren voters. I don't think there was an issue there. yardwork Feb 2022 #131
Russia depressed the vote due to their active disinformation campaign Tommy Carcetti Feb 2022 #68
Now, be fair. We've pretty much stayed out of elections in other countries. Captain Stern Feb 2022 #61
Yeah sure. Hoyt Feb 2022 #63
Dang, did you deliberately miss the point of the post you responded to? Bucky Feb 2022 #71
Didn't miss a thing. We've been meddling in foreign countries for decades. Hoyt Feb 2022 #74
Yes, but you're still missing the point if you think the Captain was disagreeing with you. Bucky Feb 2022 #75
I think we agree. Evidently, I just made my point poorly. n/t Captain Stern Feb 2022 #95
Should have read your whole post. Jumped to conclusion you were one of Hoyt Feb 2022 #105
What about a 10 year mutually agreed hiatus on possible harumph Feb 2022 #13
I don't think you understand... WarGamer Feb 2022 #19
Ukraine simply can't ever be part of Nato. It'd be folly to ever try. Bucky Feb 2022 #72
Russia needs to understand Leith Feb 2022 #16
He is negotiating with other countries. marie999 Feb 2022 #120
one suspects the real goal is to re-establish the old soviet union with dictator putin nt msongs Feb 2022 #21
I can see Putin invading the Russian speaking area of Ukraine. roamer65 Feb 2022 #22
DURec leftstreet Feb 2022 #23
They seemed fine with seeking territory in Crimea. Tommy Carcetti Feb 2022 #24
Crimea was a different cat... no invasion. WarGamer Feb 2022 #27
Well, it is attached to the Ukrainian mainland, so I would beg to differ there. Tommy Carcetti Feb 2022 #28
Yes I should have said "around 5 miles of geographic connection to Ukraine..." WarGamer Feb 2022 #29
You express Putin's positions very well. lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #33
Thank you, Senator McCarthy Bucky Feb 2022 #73
What he "explained" is counterfactual iemanja Feb 2022 #87
if "Crimea was sovereign territory of the Ukraine" then it was their sovereign right to realign. Bucky Feb 2022 #91
They took it by force iemanja Feb 2022 #103
Your reference to "historical" EndlessWire Feb 2022 #34
Regarding his NATO borders... Bucky Feb 2022 #93
A historical sense is not the fact of its status at the time of the invasion iemanja Feb 2022 #49
So, you're saying that EndlessWire Feb 2022 #35
Sure it should have appeased Putin 48656c6c6f20 Feb 2022 #42
It was an invasion iemanja Feb 2022 #47
Putin is not stupid. He has been running his country Emile Feb 2022 #26
Really EndlessWire Feb 2022 #37
Here we go again. William769 Feb 2022 #38
Yup. Basically Putin's once again reasonably seeking to protect Russia Hortensis Feb 2022 #44
Putin is looking for the glory days of the U.S,S.R. William769 Feb 2022 #48
+1, anyone who's heard the story of what he was doing on the day crap hit the fan in USSR ... uponit7771 Feb 2022 #62
Sure. Putin's PROMISED to restore the glory of the Soviet Union. Hortensis Feb 2022 #66
I'd say "Russian Empire" Bucky Feb 2022 #85
USSR wasn't expansionist? sarisataka Feb 2022 #96
You apparently skipped over parts of what I wrote. Bucky Feb 2022 #101
That "defensive repositioning" sarisataka Feb 2022 #102
Putin is never to be trusted. rockfordfile Feb 2022 #40
I heard earlier that Ukraine is starting up their own military exercises... electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #43
Maybe they're feeling vulnerable at the moment. Bucky Feb 2022 #86
I imagine some (?many, ?most) of them are for sure. Sigh electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #113
They already invaded the Ukraine iemanja Feb 2022 #46
and the Donbas region of East Ukraine lanlady Feb 2022 #82
Did you see this? iemanja Feb 2022 #83
So they ARE interested in territory? Kingofalldems Feb 2022 #84
Fuck Russia and their apologists. denbot Feb 2022 #51
Crimea? Hekate Feb 2022 #52
You are partially correct sarisataka Feb 2022 #57
not seeking territory? lanlady Feb 2022 #78
People making it sound like Crimea was Putin's Sudetenland seriously need to read some history Bucky Feb 2022 #94
+1. Russia/Putin is a hostile and cancerous force in this world, radius777 Feb 2022 #111
Got a link on that? Kingofalldems Feb 2022 #80
The Pentagon is in the business of war... right KOAD? WarGamer Feb 2022 #108
This message was self-deleted by its author Kingofalldems Feb 2022 #88
Mostly agree. But about China... Bucky Feb 2022 #89
I have family in the Baltics tavernier Feb 2022 #90
The OP keeps saying Putin's intent is neighborly, and we are silly alarmists to worry... Hekate Feb 2022 #115
Yes. tavernier Feb 2022 #116
That's not what I said... maybe you need to reread it. WarGamer Feb 2022 #121
He's already 'invaded' Ukraine. radius777 Feb 2022 #128
Obviously I'm talking about 2022... the current build up on the border. WarGamer Feb 2022 #132
didn't the access to the sea also come into play with Crimea? IcyPeas Feb 2022 #92
The port of Sevastopol has always been the main Black Sea port of the Russian Navy... Bucky Feb 2022 #97
Ask yourself why Hitler wanted the Ukraine BlueIdaho Feb 2022 #98
I don't know about metals or minerals resources but when I was growing up in the... electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #114
Correct! And before that it was called BlueIdaho Feb 2022 #118
Just a little piece of trivia... There IS NO "The Ukraine" WarGamer Feb 2022 #119
Hey Thanks! BlueIdaho Feb 2022 #122
no problem!! WarGamer Feb 2022 #124
There is a bit more. Xolodno Feb 2022 #109
Ukraine is a sovereign nation and should be in NATO. Putin can go F himself. radius777 Feb 2022 #110
Right? Ukraine is a sovereign state. As such, they should be free to join NATO if it is the Roisin Ni Fiachra Feb 2022 #117
Leave Vladimir Putin ALONE!!! tenderfoot Feb 2022 #123
People need to understand this is not a right-wing website. William769 Feb 2022 #125
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Feb 2022 #126
Sometimes the truth hurts. William769 Feb 2022 #127
Your POV is echoed on Fox iemanja Feb 2022 #129
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Feb 2022 #130
There is nothing factual about anything you have posted in regard to this iemanja Feb 2022 #133
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Feb 2022 #134
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Feb 2022 #135
Biden tells U.S. citizens to leave Ukraine immediately amid 'troubling' signs of Russian escalation sarisataka Feb 2022 #136
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