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ooooookay RomneyLies Oct 2012 #1
I don't know...I know some of the damn machines DO flip votes ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #5
Mike Collins has an article that explains it. reusrename Oct 2012 #42
i write software and design control systems... docgee Oct 2012 #73
just askin ekimline Oct 2012 #225
Problem is politicians could buy votes that way. hunter Oct 2012 #241
thanks upi402 Oct 2012 #252
I remember watching on PBS JonLP24 Oct 2012 #177
I own a computer services company -- it is very easy to create programs that disappear, reappear AikidoSoul Oct 2012 #229
"trade laws prohibit that you investigate the firmware, hardware or software" FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #239
FiveGoodMen FTW! Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #256
Its worse than flipping..its losing votes... AsahinaKimi Oct 2012 #226
There are a few things to explain that. EOTE Oct 2012 #6
That's what continually concerns me since 2000 (and even before that really) ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #7
WTF is a TPTB? RomneyLies Oct 2012 #8
The Powers That Be nt PCIntern Oct 2012 #9
WTF is "The Powers That Be"? nt RomneyLies Oct 2012 #10
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #28
Does the name Richard Charnin mean anything to you? Jackpine Radical Oct 2012 #33
I don't buy into black box voting Ct RomneyLies Oct 2012 #43
I don't buy into refusing to look at evidence Jackpine Radical Oct 2012 #46
If there was any real evidence, I'd look at it. nt RomneyLies Oct 2012 #117
If you don't look, how do you evaluate the quality of the evidence? Jackpine Radical Oct 2012 #146
you don't want to be confused with facts? Duppers Oct 2012 #224
If you don't get why it's so easy to steal elections when computers are used, AikidoSoul Oct 2012 #231
"Not using your good marbles." I'm stealing that. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #258
It doesn't matter whether or not you 'buy into' the fact that those machines sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #295
So here we are discussing election theft and vote flipping INdemo Oct 2012 #75
That's the one thing that makes me feel a little better. drm604 Oct 2012 #106
If they can't do anything, then no one can. randome Oct 2012 #111
I believe the Obama campaign is well aware of RW election fraud Doremus Oct 2012 #153
SPOT ON! Let's ask ourselves why, why, why??????????????? They've known about the theft potential AikidoSoul Oct 2012 #233
We need to organize over this. But the fact the neither the Dems nor the Rs has made a fuss makes me Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #257
Still waiting for somebody to name these "Powers that be" RomneyLies Oct 2012 #62
Reading OP's not your strong suit? Wednesdays Oct 2012 #66
I read the OP and the article the OP linked to. RomneyLies Oct 2012 #69
Names. MynameisBlarney Oct 2012 #70
Prove it. RomneyLies Oct 2012 #74
If Diebold is not odious, then they must be incompetant JonLP24 Oct 2012 #178
RE: Diebold MessiahRp Oct 2012 #180
ATMs fuck up all the time. Unlike with voting, though, it makes no difference eridani Oct 2012 #183
You're defending republicans brilliantly - TBF Oct 2012 #193
Yes, I noticed that also ... n/t sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #296
You know there is a way to take care of that problem nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #23
Too costly. RomneyLies Oct 2012 #44
Wow. Jackpine Radical Oct 2012 #47
Absolutely. I work in IT RomneyLies Oct 2012 #61
If you really work in IT, then you know how easy it would be FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #93
I know how dicciult it would be to do so withoout leaving a trail. n/t RomneyLies Oct 2012 #113
What kind of trail could be found on machines that can't be examined? FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #118
It all depends on how you do it. drm604 Oct 2012 #122
See post #100. randome Oct 2012 #125
not according to the NASA IT guys. who , underoath it is the easiest thing in the owrld to make robinlynne Oct 2012 #143
So we would have voting machines that were wiped of code. randome Oct 2012 #145
not at all. google Clint Curtis and congress. He was a NASA programmer hired to write this robinlynne Oct 2012 #155
You are aware that it's illegal to look at the "proprietary" code of these machines? Doremus Oct 2012 #158
And all these attempts were discovered so there are ways to tell. randome Oct 2012 #163
Don't believe I've ever read a more disingenuous reply. Doremus Oct 2012 #171
Many have been discovered. I doubt that ALL have been discovered. robinlynne Oct 2012 #204
I don't believe ANY ballot system is 100% safe. randome Oct 2012 #207
I will fiond the link for you. you are incorrect. Florida was rpogrammed to flip the vote in all of robinlynne Oct 2012 #209
Is this the link? randome Oct 2012 #210
no. I posted link below. here it is again: robinlynne Oct 2012 #212
Thanks. I'll have to look and listen after work. randome Oct 2012 #215
You think wrong. sorry. This I can tell you from personal election monitoring experience. robinlynne Oct 2012 #216
I'm sorry but this proves nothing. randome Oct 2012 #264
He testified that he was hired to and wrote the software to flip half of Florida. watch again. robinlynne Oct 2012 #266
And was this software ever used? Not according to his testimony. randome Oct 2012 #270
Your point? It is proven beyond any doubt. done. proven. argument over. watch Dan robinlynne Oct 2012 #271
oh, and what happened back then was Terry Schiavo. On the exact same day this Congressional hearing robinlynne Oct 2012 #217
All these examples are relatively small in scale. randome Oct 2012 #164
You have obviously not read up on the 2004 Ohio election. Doremus Oct 2012 #169
not true. half of florida in 2000 is not small. How was it dealt with? noone even went to jail? robinlynne Oct 2012 #205
Why do you think no one went to jail? randome Oct 2012 #208
Why do you think Dick Cheney did not go to jail for war crimes? robinlynne Oct 2012 #213
Because he was one of our elected leaders. randome Oct 2012 #214
There is your answer. robinlynne Oct 2012 #218
Yes. the GOP head IT man died in an airplane creash rihgt before he was suppo to testify about the robinlynne Oct 2012 #202
And what caused the crash? randome Oct 2012 #203
It only sounds extremely unlikely to someone who has apparently sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #220
Yeah, well, I've been busy. randome Oct 2012 #221
LOL! Well I'll be darned! I've had that very same experience. Zorra Oct 2012 #236
Bullshit. drm604 Oct 2012 #108
I work in IT security and you're off your rocker. Fawke Em Oct 2012 #168
I became a network administrator the day I turned 16. EOTE Oct 2012 #188
Sorry to join the mob, but you're just wrong. The errors of your reasoning have been presented Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #260
What utter nonsense. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #297
WOW just wow nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #63
+++++1 crunch60 Oct 2012 #141
"more secure"? TahitiNut Oct 2012 #82
Yes, much more secure. RomneyLies Oct 2012 #89
"Worst case I've seen is the crap that single clerk in Wisconsin pulled." Then you are uninformed. Doremus Oct 2012 #160
Again, I refuse to believe the conspiracy theory bullshit RomneyLies Oct 2012 #166
Two clerks in Cleveland were not only charged but went to prison. Doremus Oct 2012 #170
Personally, meanit Oct 2012 #97
Ever vote on punch cards? Ever vote on optiscan? Ever vote on lever machines? RomneyLies Oct 2012 #101
With all due respect meanit Oct 2012 #119
With all due respect RomneyLies Oct 2012 #120
Very telling meanit Oct 2012 #284
watch this video. you wanted evidence. And 3rd parties have been counting votes robinlynne Oct 2012 #211
Actually SON, yes SON... nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #223
'Something here smells'! I agree! sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #298
bcause they drank the kool aid Bush/Rove sold the country....fast is good. private is necessary. robinlynne Oct 2012 #206
I'm sure you know far more than the statisticians whose job it is to analyze this data. EOTE Oct 2012 #24
Anybody with a "job" promoting black box voting nonsense RomneyLies Oct 2012 #45
Anyone who is fine with proprietary voting software that can't be audited in the least... EOTE Oct 2012 #186
+1 Nine Oct 2012 #219
agree and this AsahinaKimi Oct 2012 #230
You seem afraid, yes AFRAID, of openly audited elections nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #227
How can you make a blanket statement that it's a scam? drm604 Oct 2012 #99
Shjow me a single instance of it happening RomneyLies Oct 2012 #115
Wow. drm604 Oct 2012 #121
Scam atists? RomneyLies Oct 2012 #123
Obviously you have no real arguments. drm604 Oct 2012 #126
Since the BBV scammers fdon't have any arguments, I don't need anything to counter them. nt RomneyLies Oct 2012 #127
I done with you. drm604 Oct 2012 #129
Good RomneyLies Oct 2012 #131
Are you implying that billh58 Oct 2012 #262
Sounds like billh58 Oct 2012 #261
Disagree strongly Mc Mike Oct 2012 #259
I still default to the simple logic... Whiskeytide Oct 2012 #12
Right. Who would put it past them? ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #13
That's all you really need to ask. EOTE Oct 2012 #25
whiskeytide redwhiteblue Oct 2012 #36
I welcome you elehhhhna Oct 2012 #49
Nate Silver predicted the WI recall election result. D23MIURG23 Oct 2012 #92
Welcome to DU! juajen Oct 2012 #250
I default to simple logic RomneyLies Oct 2012 #48
+1 D23MIURG23 Oct 2012 #87
And +1 for you, too. randome Oct 2012 #91
That must be why so many races are neck-and-neck FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #94
Well, the geniuses that brought us Palin and Romney can't be that good at their jobs. randome Oct 2012 #95
Most of the blame certainly goes to the idiots who vote GOP FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #105
They must have run out of black helicopters for the operation. nt RomneyLies Oct 2012 #116
Who claimed they were the Illuminati? drm604 Oct 2012 #124
But you have no evidence of this happening. You're just afraid. randome Oct 2012 #128
Read the OP. drm604 Oct 2012 #133
Its possible to have election fraud on many different levels... D23MIURG23 Oct 2012 #138
I didn't mean to come across as snarky. randome Oct 2012 #140
There is no trail. You imagine a bunch of wrong things. You need to read up. robinlynne Oct 2012 #268
Bush v. Gore tells you just how far they are willing to go Supersedeas Oct 2012 #194
That is your proof that the elections are honest? Are you kidding? robinlynne Oct 2012 #15
That, or they didn't try to steal the Pres race... Whiskeytide Oct 2012 #17
of course they did. they just did not steal enough votes. Obama's win was huge. not 3 points. robinlynne Oct 2012 #38
Name one who publicly said their race was stolen... brooklynite Oct 2012 #22
Every election results in sore losers contesting the results RomneyLies Oct 2012 #51
They didn't expect Obama to win by the margin he did, so their cheating was insufficient to cover... Scuba Oct 2012 #18
Ohio BlueinOhio Oct 2012 #32
I saw my vote flipped in 2008. n/t proReality Oct 2012 #34
If the votes were honestly counted the last time it would have shown that Obama won by a landslide madokie Oct 2012 #52
They wanted Obama to win so they could dump Bush's shit on him RepublicansRZombies Oct 2012 #56
And the moon landings were staged in a Hollywood sound stage! RomneyLies Oct 2012 #59
Well, yes and no . . . BrainGlutton23 Oct 2012 #85
I KNEW it! randome Oct 2012 #86
Obama was not the only one running. RC Oct 2012 #71
And not a single case of voting fraud on a wide spread scale due to voting machines. RomneyLies Oct 2012 #72
I am far from a Luddite as far as computers go RC Oct 2012 #132
I did not read your response RomneyLies Oct 2012 #134
Good. If we need you we'll go look for you in the whacked out posters threads. cui bono Oct 2012 #176
Ahh, so you're continuing your long standing tradition of responding to posts which you haven't read EOTE Oct 2012 #248
Obama probably won by a MUCH bigger margin than we may ever know. Matariki Oct 2012 #88
Perhaps because he won by too large a margin to believably flip. drm604 Oct 2012 #102
Wouldn't matter under the CT floated here RomneyLies Oct 2012 #114
Hmm...... cliffordu Oct 2012 #147
Take a little more time to read the thread. No one is saying they haven't been trying. randome Oct 2012 #149
So I guess I'm not one of the cool kids RomneyLies Oct 2012 #151
they didn't want '08. One word: Palin. look at '04 ReasonableToo Oct 2012 #174
yes the confusion & challenge marions ghost Oct 2012 #195
So if our margin is strong enough to overcome fraud, that makes fraud OK? eridani Oct 2012 #182
Cuz those nice honest republicans would never do that, would they? Zorra Oct 2012 #232
Same machines that the GOP "rigged" in 2004 gave us wins in 2006 and 2008. brooklynite Oct 2012 #2
and losses! robinlynne Oct 2012 #16
So, ANY loss is an indication of rigging? brooklynite Oct 2012 #20
You are arguing apples and oranges. Either an election is verifiable, or it is NOT. Either each cit robinlynne Oct 2012 #156
We're not talking about verifiable elections... brooklynite Oct 2012 #157
Or 2012. randome Oct 2012 #161
Well, YOU'RE no fun... brooklynite Oct 2012 #162
And yet, depending on the poll, Romney's neck and neck with Obama. Pretty good for a party Doremus Oct 2012 #167
oh they could and they did in 2006 and 2008! robinlynne Oct 2012 #201
If the rig "only" gives the preferred side a 10 point advantage... thesquanderer Oct 2012 #76
I dunno. It might have made a difference if we had 62 or more Democratic senators, not just 59. Selatius Oct 2012 #130
I agree that the analyst proves how it could be done SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2012 #3
Crap. What can be done about it? nt postulater Oct 2012 #4
k&r crazylikafox Oct 2012 #11
I am not ready for these conspiracy theories GitRDun Oct 2012 #14
Conspiracy theories? EOTE Oct 2012 #26
I love it when people who don't even know you call you ignorant or daft. GitRDun Oct 2012 #100
Whoa. randome Oct 2012 #104
Accepting criticism of privately owned and proprietary voting machines as "conspiracy theories" is EOTE Oct 2012 #187
Again with the abusive language, you must be one awful person to be around GitRDun Oct 2012 #190
Once again, you must have been sleeping from 2000 to 2004. EOTE Oct 2012 #192
More suppositions GitRDun Oct 2012 #197
I've built a case, you dismiss it as "conspiracy theories". EOTE Oct 2012 #198
Lol GitRDun Oct 2012 #199
Would it delight you to know theinquisitivechad Oct 2012 #228
No, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me. EOTE Oct 2012 #249
Which ones are you ready for? /nt Festivito Oct 2012 #39
Lol GitRDun Oct 2012 #109
This Republican attack on America must be stopped Berlum Oct 2012 #19
18181 votes Gold Metal Flake Oct 2012 #21
^this^ frylock Oct 2012 #30
yep. THAT. elehhhhna Oct 2012 #54
What an amazing coincidence that. nc4bo Oct 2012 #110
That was the number I was trying to remember. lonestarnot Oct 2012 #275
Holy shit on a stick! Unknown Beatle Oct 2012 #27
Same happened to my Mom in NV a few years ago... ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #29
a lot of people have reported that happening going back to 2004 frylock Oct 2012 #31
"it's fucking happening and it's all too real" -- AND it's a conspiracy FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #50
OK, Unknown Beatle Oct 2012 #60
Every allegation that two or more people have planned to do something wrong is a conspiracy theory FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #65
I know where you're coming from, Unknown Beatle Oct 2012 #77
And that change in the term has derailed countless important discussions FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #84
I'll believe it when it actually happens RomneyLies Oct 2012 #55
You'd have to be god to make the statement 'not a single case of "black box voting" has happened' FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #96
Trot out the case. RomneyLies Oct 2012 #103
Many here are trying to 'trot out the case' FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #107
And I don't have to beleive half baked conspiracy theory nonsense just because you do. RomneyLies Oct 2012 #112
sure you will fascisthunter Oct 2012 #142
"affect" the outcome. theinquisitivechad Oct 2012 #235
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Selatius Oct 2012 #136
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #137
Have a nice day then. I can see we're not really making any progress holding a civil discussion. nt Selatius Oct 2012 #139
K&R LeftInTX Oct 2012 #35
K & R !!! - Damned Government Workers !!! WillyT Oct 2012 #37
Detroit local news tells me Romney is 1% ahead of Obama, every broadcast. Festivito Oct 2012 #40
Doubtless attempt at election theft. nt. Mc Mike Oct 2012 #273
Just brainstorming here... Sophiegirl Oct 2012 #41
I watched my vote recorded on paper inside the voting machine I used RomneyLies Oct 2012 #58
I like that you've responded to all these posts abelenkpe Oct 2012 #78
You're free to beleive what you will RomneyLies Oct 2012 #81
"Not a single case of election fraud through computerized machines has ever occurred." FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #98
The poster is just a little too focused siligut Oct 2012 #173
I think you may be right. FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #181
oh really? That is the GOP argument, and the same argument used by the private, right wing corporate robinlynne Oct 2012 #269
IMHO, I've never doubted for a second that they'll try this shit again. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #53
According to this, it goes back to '08, not '04 or '00. hughee99 Oct 2012 #67
fraud rso Oct 2012 #57
I was hoping... DirtyDawg Oct 2012 #64
Uh-oh...it's vote fraud conspiracy theory season at DU! tritsofme Oct 2012 #68
Vote or voter fraud is different from election fraud and they are not interchangable terms. tandem5 Oct 2012 #83
Right, so in order for this theory of yours to work. Obama must be complicit in the conspiracy. tritsofme Oct 2012 #240
false dilemma mixed with a little thought terminating cliche tandem5 Oct 2012 #244
How is it a false dilemma? tritsofme Oct 2012 #245
well said thanks marions ghost Oct 2012 #255
yes, your political party, the GOP fascisthunter Oct 2012 #144
lol, thanks. You're a gem. tritsofme Oct 2012 #238
Bullshit. Obama did not win every 2008 blue state by 10%. D23MIURG23 Oct 2012 #79
To me, the most compelling evidence that these machines are rigged is the fact that exit polling, Nay Oct 2012 #80
Yes I find the whole exit polling issue very suspicious as well ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #150
Who is 'they' who are eliminating exit polling? randome Oct 2012 #152
AFAIK various mainstream media outlets. n/t ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #172
They are one consortium. There is ONE group. not many. not two even. It is a group robinlynne Oct 2012 #267
So, you trust exit polling... brooklynite Oct 2012 #154
If you look at the graphs with Central Tabulature it's interesting rightsideout Oct 2012 #90
GWB won in 2000 because of the USSC and FLA (where bro was Guv) PufPuf23 Oct 2012 #135
And because of Al Gore... brooklynite Oct 2012 #159
But how does he plan to govern? Dan Oct 2012 #148
I hate to break this to people, but there are a lot of idiots and dumbasses in this country. NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #165
Can't we make the code transparent? toby jo Oct 2012 #175
Not if it is compiled (something open source proponents seem to ignore). ieoeja Oct 2012 #191
While vote fraud through computers is definitely possible fujiyama Oct 2012 #179
circular logic Nine Oct 2012 #222
Paper trail and random hand counts as well marions ghost Oct 2012 #242
Kick ReasonableToo Oct 2012 #184
Kick n/t Shining Jack Oct 2012 #185
A conspiracy as large as necessary would be statistically impossible Progressive dog Oct 2012 #189
If you're happy with your argument from incredulity, fine FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #196
I have a bridge for sale in NYC Progressive dog Oct 2012 #247
And a bad attitude and a total lack of concern for your country. FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #251
Yawn marions ghost Oct 2012 #243
John COnyers 2004 Ohio election Fraud report...... kooljerk666 Oct 2012 #200
Robert Kennedy Jr. In Rolling Stone: Was the 2004 Election Stolen? JohnyCanuck Oct 2012 #237
DU can help publicize recent studies on GOP computer fraud Hannahcares Oct 2012 #234
"Voters in Britain know the count is accurate because every ballot is transparently hand-counted. " marions ghost Oct 2012 #246
I'm damn glad the Dems went to war for clean voting when we gave them the majority upi402 Oct 2012 #253
There have been improvements in some states, but not enough marions ghost Oct 2012 #254
K&R G_j Oct 2012 #263
K & R marions ghost Oct 2012 #265
I turned this 271 post thread into 51 posts, Mc Mike Oct 2012 #272
K & R marions ghost Oct 2012 #274
Hi , m g. Thanks for the good posts and work! NT. Mc Mike Oct 2012 #278
Backatcha marions ghost Oct 2012 #279
I never saw him live, but have his books Mc Mike Oct 2012 #281
Right marions ghost Oct 2012 #283
I remembered this 'ancient history' video Mc Mike Oct 2012 #285
Amazing marions ghost Nov 2012 #289
When Ms. With talked, she just came across as so honest. Mc Mike Nov 2012 #290
Watch and report (and photograph) marions ghost Nov 2012 #291
Freepress has a new one. Mc Mike Nov 2012 #292
thank you marions ghost Nov 2012 #293
I can't speak for Mr. Bello and FreePress, Mc Mike Nov 2012 #294
Forgot to add 'Cruel and Unusual' Mc Mike Nov 2012 #288
With the added advantage that you don't need to consider opinions that differ from your own. randome Oct 2012 #276
Har Har! It was only temporary, but Mc Mike Oct 2012 #277
Just good old boys Texas-Limerick Oct 2012 #280
It makes total sense that the Repugs Shankapotomus Oct 2012 #282
k & r! nt wildbilln864 Oct 2012 #286
News articles on "vote flipping" have been purged from the internet. reusrename Oct 2012 #287
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