Ukraine is a sovereign nation and should be in NATO. Putin can go F himself. (Reply #110)

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radius777 (3,406 posts)

110. Ukraine is a sovereign nation and should be in NATO. Putin can go F himself.

The West has appeased Putin for far too long, who annexed Crimea and then interfered in our 2016 elections which gave us Trump and a RW Supreme Court for the next 20 years.

Putin is an anti-Western white supremacist thug like Trump is, an existential threat to liberal democracy.

We should be expanding and strengthening NATO - power/dominance is the only thing thugs understand.

We should also be strongly supporting pro-democracy movements inside of Russian, eg Navalny.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]	WarGamer	Feb 2022	OP
He's forcing NATO to admit Ukraine.	lagomorph777	Feb 2022	#1
lol.. won't happen.	WarGamer	Feb 2022	#2
You mean "they're reliant on Russian natural gas" (n/t)	Spider Jerusalem	Feb 2022	#31
that's part of it...	WarGamer	Feb 2022	#32
There's just no way on God's Green Earth Ukraine can join NATO. Sorry.	Bucky	Feb 2022	#67
Russia's Military, Once Creaky, Is Modern and Lethal	ItsjustMe	Feb 2022	#3
that thread looks familiar...	WarGamer	Feb 2022	#4
Yeah, largely overblown.	Happy Hoosier	Feb 2022	#11
+1, US still is the 800 lb gorilla when it comes to stand military especially navy	uponit7771	Feb 2022	#50
I think	thatdemguy	Feb 2022	#5
Your explanation makes sense but...	Buckeyeblue	Feb 2022	#6
Putin isn't "crazy". He's hungry and greedy, but he's also historically literate.	Bucky	Feb 2022	#69
Russia can have a fucking shit sandwich	Takket	Feb 2022	#7
You need to understand the EU... particularly Germany	WarGamer	Feb 2022	#8
What tells me everything I need to know	EndlessWire	Feb 2022	#36
Merkel is a member of the Chrisitan Democratic Union	iemanja	Feb 2022	#53
Yes, that is the point - Merkel has retired	muriel_volestrangler	Feb 2022	#99
Which is why... if you read my post...	WarGamer	Feb 2022	#106
fair enough	iemanja	Feb 2022	#107
Russia's behind the Canadian truckers?	leftstreet	Feb 2022	#18
They're behind every right-wing scheme lately. If in doubt, look at the next trucker target:	lagomorph777	Feb 2022	#25
They support a LOT of right wing shenanigans. Especially in central Europe.	Bucky	Feb 2022	#76
Didn't they take Crimea?	BlueCheeseAgain	Feb 2022	#9
Yup. nt	Tommy Carcetti	Feb 2022	#30
You gotta understand the history, however.	Bucky	Feb 2022	#81
That was the same excuse that Hitler used to take	Sur Zobra	Feb 2022	#112
Honestly, we'd raise hell too if Putin tried to put troops or missles in Cuba, South America, etc.	Hoyt	Feb 2022	#10
precisely.	WarGamer	Feb 2022	#12
Errr what's your point?	Happy Hoosier	Feb 2022	#14
I'm against all the war-drum BS. It's that simple, Hoosier. I guarantee if	Hoyt	Feb 2022	#15
Okay, why not just say that?	Happy Hoosier	Feb 2022	#17
I did. Thought I was pretty clear.	Hoyt	Feb 2022	#20
What about Putin's war on the Ukraine	iemanja	Feb 2022	#54
We've done some killing too. I support sanctions, but not sending troops.	Hoyt	Feb 2022	#56
None of that justifies	EndlessWire	Feb 2022	#39
yep	uponit7771	Feb 2022	#55
Why even pretend we are going to engage them. Did they engage us when we invaded	Hoyt	Feb 2022	#59
Yes, we DO have to play the game & assert we'll protect Nato's flanks.	Bucky	Feb 2022	#70
Russia has basically attacked our country with interfering in our elections	rockfordfile	Feb 2022	#41
Yeah, like we haven't meddled in their and other country's elections.	Hoyt	Feb 2022	#45
Is your overt whataboutism saying it was OK for them to do so? Yeah, we're hypocrits and Putin	uponit7771	Feb 2022	#58
Russia didn't give us trump. Democrats not showing up at polls and	Hoyt	Feb 2022	#60
No one said they did, they helped Trump and that was bad enough. Also, Clinton only got 100k less...	uponit7771	Feb 2022	#64
The problem was Democrats pouting because Sanders or Warren weren't nominated	Hoyt	Feb 2022	#65
And those tensions were intentionally exploited by Russian propagandists. nt	Tommy Carcetti	Feb 2022	#77
Well, those "tensions" weren't necessary, and came first. As I said,	Hoyt	Feb 2022	#79
Just because someone else spilled the gasoline...	Tommy Carcetti	Feb 2022	#100
👍	NurseJackie	Feb 2022	#104
Not Warren voters. I don't think there was an issue there.	yardwork	Feb 2022	#131
Russia depressed the vote due to their active disinformation campaign	Tommy Carcetti	Feb 2022	#68
Now, be fair. We've pretty much stayed out of elections in other countries.	Captain Stern	Feb 2022	#61
Yeah sure.	Hoyt	Feb 2022	#63
Dang, did you deliberately miss the point of the post you responded to?	Bucky	Feb 2022	#71
Didn't miss a thing. We've been meddling in foreign countries for decades.	Hoyt	Feb 2022	#74
Yes, but you're still missing the point if you think the Captain was disagreeing with you.	Bucky	Feb 2022	#75
I think we agree. Evidently, I just made my point poorly. n/t	Captain Stern	Feb 2022	#95
Should have read your whole post. Jumped to conclusion you were one of	Hoyt	Feb 2022	#105
What about a 10 year mutually agreed hiatus on possible	harumph	Feb 2022	#13
I don't think you understand...	WarGamer	Feb 2022	#19
Ukraine simply can't ever be part of Nato. It'd be folly to ever try.	Bucky	Feb 2022	#72
Russia needs to understand	Leith	Feb 2022	#16
He is negotiating with other countries.	marie999	Feb 2022	#120
one suspects the real goal is to re-establish the old soviet union with dictator putin nt	msongs	Feb 2022	#21
I can see Putin invading the Russian speaking area of Ukraine.	roamer65	Feb 2022	#22
DURec	leftstreet	Feb 2022	#23
They seemed fine with seeking territory in Crimea.	Tommy Carcetti	Feb 2022	#24
Crimea was a different cat... no invasion.	WarGamer	Feb 2022	#27
Well, it is attached to the Ukrainian mainland, so I would beg to differ there.	Tommy Carcetti	Feb 2022	#28
Yes I should have said "around 5 miles of geographic connection to Ukraine..."	WarGamer	Feb 2022	#29
You express Putin's positions very well.	lagomorph777	Feb 2022	#33
Thank you, Senator McCarthy	Bucky	Feb 2022	#73
What he "explained" is counterfactual	iemanja	Feb 2022	#87
if "Crimea was sovereign territory of the Ukraine" then it was their sovereign right to realign.	Bucky	Feb 2022	#91
They took it by force	iemanja	Feb 2022	#103
Your reference to "historical"	EndlessWire	Feb 2022	#34
Regarding his NATO borders...	Bucky	Feb 2022	#93
A historical sense is not the fact of its status at the time of the invasion	iemanja	Feb 2022	#49
So, you're saying that	EndlessWire	Feb 2022	#35
Sure it should have appeased Putin	48656c6c6f20	Feb 2022	#42
It was an invasion	iemanja	Feb 2022	#47
Putin is not stupid. He has been running his country	Emile	Feb 2022	#26
Really	EndlessWire	Feb 2022	#37
Here we go again.	William769	Feb 2022	#38
Yup. Basically Putin's once again reasonably seeking to protect Russia	Hortensis	Feb 2022	#44
Putin is looking for the glory days of the U.S,S.R.	William769	Feb 2022	#48
+1, anyone who's heard the story of what he was doing on the day crap hit the fan in USSR ...	uponit7771	Feb 2022	#62
Sure. Putin's PROMISED to restore the glory of the Soviet Union.	Hortensis	Feb 2022	#66
I'd say "Russian Empire"	Bucky	Feb 2022	#85
USSR wasn't expansionist?	sarisataka	Feb 2022	#96
You apparently skipped over parts of what I wrote.	Bucky	Feb 2022	#101
That "defensive repositioning"	sarisataka	Feb 2022	#102
Putin is never to be trusted.	rockfordfile	Feb 2022	#40
I heard earlier that Ukraine is starting up their own military exercises...	electric_blue68	Feb 2022	#43
Maybe they're feeling vulnerable at the moment.	Bucky	Feb 2022	#86
I imagine some (?many, ?most) of them are for sure. Sigh	electric_blue68	Feb 2022	#113
They already invaded the Ukraine	iemanja	Feb 2022	#46
and the Donbas region of East Ukraine	lanlady	Feb 2022	#82
Did you see this?	iemanja	Feb 2022	#83
So they ARE interested in territory?	Kingofalldems	Feb 2022	#84
Fuck Russia and their apologists.	denbot	Feb 2022	#51
Crimea?	Hekate	Feb 2022	#52
You are partially correct	sarisataka	Feb 2022	#57
not seeking territory?	lanlady	Feb 2022	#78
People making it sound like Crimea was Putin's Sudetenland seriously need to read some history	Bucky	Feb 2022	#94
+1. Russia/Putin is a hostile and cancerous force in this world,	radius777	Feb 2022	#111
Got a link on that?	Kingofalldems	Feb 2022	#80
The Pentagon is in the business of war... right KOAD?	WarGamer	Feb 2022	#108
This message was self-deleted by its author	Kingofalldems	Feb 2022	#88
Mostly agree. But about China...	Bucky	Feb 2022	#89
I have family in the Baltics	tavernier	Feb 2022	#90
The OP keeps saying Putin's intent is neighborly, and we are silly alarmists to worry...	Hekate	Feb 2022	#115
Yes.	tavernier	Feb 2022	#116
That's not what I said... maybe you need to reread it.	WarGamer	Feb 2022	#121
He's already 'invaded' Ukraine.	radius777	Feb 2022	#128
Obviously I'm talking about 2022... the current build up on the border.	WarGamer	Feb 2022	#132
didn't the access to the sea also come into play with Crimea?	IcyPeas	Feb 2022	#92
The port of Sevastopol has always been the main Black Sea port of the Russian Navy...	Bucky	Feb 2022	#97
Ask yourself why Hitler wanted the Ukraine	BlueIdaho	Feb 2022	#98
I don't know about metals or minerals resources but when I was growing up in the...	electric_blue68	Feb 2022	#114
Correct! And before that it was called	BlueIdaho	Feb 2022	#118
Just a little piece of trivia... There IS NO "The Ukraine"	WarGamer	Feb 2022	#119
Hey Thanks!	BlueIdaho	Feb 2022	#122
no problem!!	WarGamer	Feb 2022	#124
There is a bit more.	Xolodno	Feb 2022	#109
Ukraine is a sovereign nation and should be in NATO. Putin can go F himself.	radius777	Feb 2022	#110
Right? Ukraine is a sovereign state. As such, they should be free to join NATO if it is the	Roisin Ni Fiachra	Feb 2022	#117
Leave Vladimir Putin ALONE!!!	tenderfoot	Feb 2022	#123
People need to understand this is not a right-wing website.	William769	Feb 2022	#125
This message was self-deleted by its author	WarGamer	Feb 2022	#126
Sometimes the truth hurts.	William769	Feb 2022	#127
Your POV is echoed on Fox	iemanja	Feb 2022	#129
This message was self-deleted by its author	WarGamer	Feb 2022	#130
There is nothing factual about anything you have posted in regard to this	iemanja	Feb 2022	#133
This message was self-deleted by its author	WarGamer	Feb 2022	#134
This message was self-deleted by its author	WarGamer	Feb 2022	#135
Biden tells U.S. citizens to leave Ukraine immediately amid 'troubling' signs of Russian escalation	sarisataka	Feb 2022	#136

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