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Azathoth

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20. Putin does not want a huge NATO country right on his border

Reply to marmar (Original post)

Sun Feb 13, 2022, 04:19 AM

Feb 2022

any more than we would have wanted Canada or Mexico to join the Warsaw Pact. It's really that simple.

We screwed up by encouraging Ukraine to pursue full NATO membership. Had we limited NATO's involvement to cooperative engagement and made it clear we thought Ukraine should remain ostensibly neutral, we might have headed this off. Now Putin is going to make an example of them and return them to full satellite status.

Either Ukraine willingly abandons Western democracy and turns itself into a client of Putin, or he's gonna wreck them permanently.

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The edge of war: what, exactly, does Putin want in Ukraine? [View all] marmar Feb 2022 OP

It can be summed up in 3 words sarisataka Feb 2022 #1

He wants to prove that NATO does not exist highnooner Feb 2022 #2

He may be in for a serious education Sherman A1 Feb 2022 #10

People like Putin and Trump do shit just because they can. pwb Feb 2022 #3

No. Putin is ruthless and murderous. tRump is too stupid to know or care when he does illegal stuff. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #4

So they don't do things because they can? pwb Feb 2022 #5

No they don't. They get away with it. That's separate from their motivations. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #6

I don't know why I bother giving my opinion. pwb Feb 2022 #7

I sometimes learn from your posts so I'm glad you give your opinion though I sometimes disagree Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #8

I don't know why you say no to a poster here. pwb Feb 2022 #9

Yes, more same than not, despite great diversity. I say no to ideas, factoids, conclusions Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #11

Then I need to apologize to you for all my posts slightlv Feb 2022 #13

I hadn't noticed any problem. Your good graces sustain you. But yes, we all age. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #16

What Does Putin Want? BlueIdaho Feb 2022 #12

BINGO Skittles Feb 2022 #17

+1 dalton99a Feb 2022 #21

Their resources and to make NATO look bad and broken. nt Samrob Feb 2022 #14

Its simple brettdale Feb 2022 #15

Putin is waging war on the West. radius777 Feb 2022 #18

The answer is "revanchism" Spider Jerusalem Feb 2022 #19

Exactly right. Voltaire2 Feb 2022 #23

Putin does not want a huge NATO country right on his border Azathoth Feb 2022 #20

We screwed up long ago in 1990 and 1991 during the negotiations for Germany unifications. marie999 Feb 2022 #22