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145. It's a fantasy (thus, made up stuff) that the US withdrawing from NATO wouldn't be the end of Europe
Mon Feb 28, 2022, 11:32 PM
Feb 2022

At least as we know it now. There's truthfully no defending such, let alone calling for the same.

Ukraine is not a NATO member, if we're being painfully honest, in part due to Putin's threats against Europe, and in part due to his previous meddling in their government.

NATO defends, not attacks. Which is why Putin wants us out and it to then be essentially broken. Putin wants to be able to attack with impunity and bring back wars for territory. Which is not hard to do if we were to become nationalist who refuse to engage in the reality we're all tied together and each democracy which falls to a dictator shifts the global power in favor of the bad guys (yes, as we're seeing there are actual global powers who are bad actors. Several of them and we need to be paying close attention.) and toward the dictators.

This is a beginning of a power grab by the bad actors if democratic countries were to let it happen. This isn't about NATO nations on his border. That's fluff, an excuse and untrue.

DSA?? cilla4progress Feb 2022 #1
Really? For sweet jeebus' sake, really? mcar Feb 2022 #2
They don't even know who the imperialist are in this case. nt Samrob Feb 2022 #96
Completely done with them now, and questioning their motives Amishman Mar 2022 #164
Tankies gonna tank. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2022 #3
Best reply! johnp3907 Feb 2022 #42
Has it called on Russia to withdraw from Ukraine? Sneederbunk Feb 2022 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2022 #24
yes Celerity Feb 2022 #27
DSA demands immediate diplomacy and deescalation? To whom exactly are they addressing that demand? lapucelle Feb 2022 #51
they are just shooting off their mouths, almost no one takes them seriously, I certainly do not Celerity Feb 2022 #56
What imperialist expansionism are they talking about? nt BlueLucy Feb 2022 #59
Expansion of NATO into former Soviet Bloc nations. maxsolomon Mar 2022 #158
Thank you for the reply. BlueLucy Mar 2022 #159
TY Exactly.. has that even Entered Cha Feb 2022 #112
They're getting more ridiculous and irrelevant by the day. Ocelot II Feb 2022 #5
Alexandria Ocasio Cortez rallied with the Democratic Socialists of America two weeks ago lapucelle Feb 2022 #37
+1 betsuni Feb 2022 #41
Still more quotes, that are great for republicons in November empedocles Feb 2022 #47
Absolutely. betsuni Feb 2022 #67
+1 TexasTowelie Feb 2022 #68
Rashida Tlaib gave the opening speech at the Democratic Socialists of America 2021 convention. lapucelle Feb 2022 #58
Don't know why these alliances seem to be ignored, they shouldn't be. betsuni Feb 2022 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author lapucelle Feb 2022 #105
They do. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #148
Would someone tell these dumbasses Russia hasn't been Socialist for about 30 years? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2022 #6
DSA (Democrats Suck Always) apparently think only the U.S. is an imperialist oligarchy and bad. betsuni Feb 2022 #53
Representative Jamaal Bowman is a member of Democratic Socialists of America, lapucelle Feb 2022 #102
Uh oh, Bowman did a boo-boo and voted the way he thought best. betsuni Feb 2022 #104
Rigid little Socialists. I'm on TEAM Ukaine! Cha Feb 2022 #114
Respectfully IMHO Russia/USSR has never been close to "socialist" in its history Cheezoholic Feb 2022 #57
THis has nothing to do with whether Russia is Socialist MadameButterfly Feb 2022 #65
Wanting the US out of NATO is most definitely siding with Putin and TFG. N/T lapucelle Feb 2022 #78
+1 TexasTowelie Feb 2022 #84
Yup. Wingus Dingus Feb 2022 #92
i agree that their strategy is wrong MadameButterfly Feb 2022 #131
Excuse me? What "strategy" are you talking about, lapucelle Feb 2022 #137
the strategy MadameButterfly Mar 2022 #166
The DSA's call for the US to immediately withdraw from NATO is long-standing lapucelle Mar 2022 #168
It's a fantasy (thus, made up stuff) that the US withdrawing from NATO wouldn't be the end of Europe herding cats Feb 2022 #145
If you read Twitter or Reddit you will see many of them defend Putin. nt BlueLucy Feb 2022 #150
***sigh*** sheshe2 Feb 2022 #139
This conflict has nothing to do with NATO. radius777 Feb 2022 #83
My 30ish Nephew RobinA Mar 2022 #165
If in Putin's mind MadameButterfly Mar 2022 #167
NATO never agreed SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2022 #86
Why does anyone need to promise Putin anything...he is a greedy dictator who stole Russia's Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #95
Hmm. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #140
OMG.. That Is Definitely"Pro Putin".. Cha Feb 2022 #141
I don't understand why DSA is taking this position. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #144
Yeah, Vlad the Deadly Invader is.. Cha Feb 2022 #146
It is for you. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #147
It's beautiful.. Cha Feb 2022 #149
The DSA hates Democrats...they are an adversary and I do not consider them 'left'. Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #163
Russia is now, a shock-doctrine, neocon Mob State. Volaris Feb 2022 #81
They operate under Capitalism. Caliman73 Feb 2022 #133
They condemned Russia for the invasion and called for a withdrawal. Caliman73 Feb 2022 #132
:) Lenin would strongly disagree. USSR stands for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Hortensis Mar 2022 #154
The DSA can go screw themselves. These idiots have not got a clue. sunonmars Feb 2022 #7
Jesus these people are mornons. nycbos Feb 2022 #8
The horseshoe theory is real. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2022 #22
Stupid. roamer65 Feb 2022 #9
Wait...did I miss where they blamed Putin, or did they Wingus Dingus Feb 2022 #10
I guess we are always expansionists, therefore Putin felt threatened. haele Feb 2022 #34
This is the third time this week I've seen a Wingus Dingus Feb 2022 #44
Because we have behaved badly and fell short of our ideals is not an excuse for Russia DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2022 #49
Well said. Wingus Dingus Feb 2022 #62
There are posters here who make the same arguments... Salviati Feb 2022 #80
Yes. Wingus Dingus Feb 2022 #91
Fucking morons dalton99a Feb 2022 #11
I wish those people would think sometimes. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #12
Fuck those idiots NT Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #13
Um... No! SheltieLover Feb 2022 #14
That'd give Putin the green light to invade further and further west in Europe. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2022 #15
Wierd ...just wierd lefthandedskyhook Feb 2022 #16
Weird? waddirum Feb 2022 #123
How to make yourself irrelevant: A demonstration. n/t TygrBright Feb 2022 #17
Jill Stein must be a Board Member aeromanKC Feb 2022 #18
Just goes to show you the "Democratic" in DSA is just a ruse to appeal reasonable. mathematic Feb 2022 #19
+1 (nt) ProfessorGAC Feb 2022 #32
Kind of like "Defund the police," stupid and not helpful. Hoyt Feb 2022 #20
Defund the Police was a stupid slogan and cost Democrats a number of seats LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #127
Tell these motherfuckers to go take a look at a map intrepidity Feb 2022 #21
One day after Republican Party starts backing away from Putin blm Feb 2022 #23
FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2022 #25
What are they? FakeNoose Feb 2022 #26
This is why at the Pro Ukraine rally today in Chicago they talked about the harm from the far right mucifer Feb 2022 #28
Oh Wow.. how heartening! Cha Feb 2022 #99
What?!?!? PatSeg Feb 2022 #29
Seems dubious ymetca Feb 2022 #30
Another source RandySF Feb 2022 #31
This will be all over Fox News soon ymetca Feb 2022 #52
The DSA statement is on their website. nt TexasTowelie Feb 2022 #89
Who's funding these fools? mzmolly Feb 2022 #33
Not after yesterday! Generic Brad Feb 2022 #38
Haha! mzmolly Feb 2022 #40
Niiiiiice Nevilledog Feb 2022 #71
Thank you for your business. sheshe2 Feb 2022 #151
How do you say, "go fuck yourselves" in Stupidese? relayerbob Feb 2022 #35
Maybe something like this Beastly Boy Feb 2022 #63
North Korea, Belarus, and now DSA. Beastly Boy Feb 2022 #36
That's it ! I'm tearing up my dweller Feb 2022 #39
There is insanity at both poles of the spectrum. smirkymonkey Feb 2022 #43
Funny thing is, all the lunatics are siding with brutal dictators Beastly Boy Feb 2022 #46
Maybe it's just one big death cult. smirkymonkey Feb 2022 #50
I think we need to make two more classification buckets Sapient Donkey Feb 2022 #136
Useful idiots. johnp3907 Feb 2022 #45
The 60s called, they want the phrase "imperialist expansionism" back. sop Feb 2022 #48
Also, "establishment" and "elites" (as in Hollywood (throwing dollar bills at Democrats at a George betsuni Feb 2022 #129
Is this a real organization, or more Ruskie troll farm output? n/t Liberal In Texas Feb 2022 #54
It's real. Ocelot II Feb 2022 #60
You will get to hear all about their ideas during the State of the Union rebuttal. NT cinematicdiversions Feb 2022 #79
This really makes me mad...perhaps a primary is in order. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #117
Perhaps? Republicans did not wnylib Mar 2022 #157
It won't work. Our party is different...and we can't get the progressives elected in states we need Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #160
?? wnylib Mar 2022 #161
In order to hold a majority, we have to get Progressives elected in red and purple states. Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #162
Nope Bettie Feb 2022 #55
Their statement says no economic brinksmanship should be taken either. So I guess just give up all sciencescience Feb 2022 #61
They seem to be OK with sanctioning Israel though. BlueLucy Feb 2022 #82
They "claim" 90,000 members edhopper Feb 2022 #64
Honest Question WA-03 Democrat Feb 2022 #66
I'm not sure. I know he's part of Our Revolution. RandySF Feb 2022 #69
Thanks the internet has a lot of info WA-03 Democrat Feb 2022 #73
I think he ran as a member of this group years ago...but has not anymore. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #118
Sounds like the misguided leftists who initially supported Trump for president n/t AntiFascist Feb 2022 #70
Friggin' Jackpine Radicals. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #74
That is exactly what came to my mind. nt BootinUp Feb 2022 #75
Oh, yes! A lot of LW authoritarians identify socialist and/or progressive Hortensis Mar 2022 #156
Very odd Meowmee Feb 2022 #72
Maria Svart is the National Director of Democratic Socialists of America. lapucelle Feb 2022 #108
Ty 😀 Meowmee Feb 2022 #109
The DSA hurtles towards irrelevancy Dirty Socialist Feb 2022 #76
Isn't that the party Sanders ran under and his supporters continually told us was LizBeth Feb 2022 #77
I mean, a lot of us have been saying for years greenjar_01 Feb 2022 #85
+1000 Nixie Feb 2022 #110
The far-left is pro-Putin as much as the far-right is. radius777 Feb 2022 #87
Republican party hates our democracy. rockfordfile Feb 2022 #88
I see, this is all the fault of the US. Good Lord 'n' Butter.... Hekate Feb 2022 #90
They can't tell the difference between parties: GWB/Obama/Trump/Biden administrations all want war. betsuni Feb 2022 #97
Defend Putin? Fuck them. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #93
Orwellian. jalan48 Feb 2022 #94
Fuck them. boston bean Feb 2022 #98
Makes me think of that Horseshoe Theory of politics writ large peggysue2 Feb 2022 #100
Seems similar to what George Monbiot talks about in this tweet, Crunchy Frog Feb 2022 #101
NATO is Trying to HELP Ukraine From Being Slaughtered by the Fucking Mad Man, Vlad Putin Cha Feb 2022 #106
Sigh Me. Feb 2022 #107
And they don't want to.. Cha Feb 2022 #111
However Did It Come To This? Me. Feb 2022 #113
As long as there are Democratic Cha Feb 2022 #115
+💙💛 Me. Feb 2022 #120
"We condemn Stalin murdering 30 million people, but the real threat is America." Azathoth Feb 2022 #116
Get a grip: the Soviet Union collapsed was replaced by mafiosi before you kids were born struggle4progress Feb 2022 #119
Amen n/t Cheezoholic Feb 2022 #121
This is a stupid idea MustLoveBeagles Feb 2022 #122
Oh for fucks sake. ismnotwasm Feb 2022 #124
Oh geesh total assholery! 🙄 👎 nt Raine Feb 2022 #125
Especially the sentence about neoliberal order and the ruling class trying to build a new order betsuni Feb 2022 #126
Let's just say the DSA's call to abandon #NATO is not exactly playing well with NY Democrats LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #128
The DSA stands with Putin and against Ukraine and NATO. LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2022 #130
They should be really upset with Putin for driving more support for NATO Sapient Donkey Feb 2022 #134
I call on DSA to withdraw from the US. lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #135
I watched the German Chancellor speak in parliament yesterday, and his proposals were objected to by OnDoutside Feb 2022 #138
Thank You, OnDoubtSide, for Cha Feb 2022 #142
Yes, Trump wanted to withdraw the U.S. from NATO. betsuni Feb 2022 #143
+1000 Nixie Feb 2022 #153
Timely. May this be the end of their anti-democracy if they're 'capitalist to their eyes' rhetoric. herding cats Feb 2022 #152
okay... myohmy2 Mar 2022 #155
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