With the Ukraine Invasion, NATO Is Suddenly Vulnerable (Reply #64)

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totodeinhere (12,718 posts)

64. With the Ukraine Invasion, NATO Is Suddenly Vulnerable

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102 replies	Author	Time	Post
Does anyone really think that NATO will risk a nuclear holocaust if Russia were [View all]	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	OP
exactly.	drray23	Mar 2022	#1
You are wrong.	SoonerPride	Mar 2022	#3
You are wrong. . . . nt	Bernardo de La Paz	Mar 2022	#7
2 words for you,	MarineCombatEngineer	Mar 2022	#12
I guess that a cogent argument. nt.	drray23	Mar 2022	#14
Your whole argument is bullshit, you've been pushing this crap lately,	MarineCombatEngineer	Mar 2022	#21
I hope they do	drray23	Mar 2022	#24
When Russia threatened France a few days ago,	MarineCombatEngineer	Mar 2022	#30
yes true.	drray23	Mar 2022	#39
All very good points,	MarineCombatEngineer	Mar 2022	#43
Many NATO countries are also nuclear powers	SoonerPride	Mar 2022	#32
Exactly. And that why it would be a holocaust.	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#35
Well that may happen.	SoonerPride	Mar 2022	#40
....	MarineCombatEngineer	Mar 2022	#54
Cockroaches are already sentient. Just not very much. Beware of binary thinking.	Bernardo de La Paz	Mar 2022	#89
+1. Kremlin propaganda is everywhere lately.	radius777	Mar 2022	#75
+100. nt	MarineCombatEngineer	Mar 2022	#77
No way.	Elessar Zappa	Mar 2022	#20
If Putin attacks any NATO member they will defend them	SoonerPride	Mar 2022	#2
No wonder the Doomsday Clock is now set at 100 seconds to midnight. n/t	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#6
Maybe so. But Putin knows NATO means business.	SoonerPride	Mar 2022	#10
seems slow	eShirl	Mar 2022	#46
Agreed. I would have it set at one second to midnight if it were up to me. n/t	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#100
Because we are willing to defend ourselves?	Happy Hoosier	Mar 2022	#66
We should just surrender now....	TheRealNorth	Mar 2022	#87
It was set at 100 seconds to midnight on January 20th.	Jedi Guy	Mar 2022	#93
We all know about article 5. But would you consider taking a chance on being	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#17
So you arguing that NATO countries would sacrifice other NATO members?	SoonerPride	Mar 2022	#23
I don't know exactly what NATO would do.	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#38
Article 5 does NOT mean that we nuke Moscow if Russia attacks a NATO country.	LudwigPastorius	Mar 2022	#63
Of course. But a conventional response to a Russian attack could cause Putin	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#65
He may have threatened it,	MarineCombatEngineer	Mar 2022	#71
That's really our best hope for survival, honestly.	Jedi Guy	Mar 2022	#97
Absolutely NATO would respond because...	Justice matters.	Mar 2022	#72
I think that you bet wrong, but it would do no good to win that bet.	Dan	Mar 2022	#4
All depends on how his Ukraine adventure turns out	calguy	Mar 2022	#5
That's a fool's bet.	WheelWalker	Mar 2022	#8
Sorry for acting like a fool, but I do not want to see a thermonuclear war.	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#22
He may try to order a nuclear strike,	MarineCombatEngineer	Mar 2022	#37
I hope that someone would stop Putin, but I don't know if I want to	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#99
The	inthewind21	Mar 2022	#98
Over the many years I have been on DU I have made similar comments.	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#102
NATO would respond with overwhelming conventional force	NickB79	Mar 2022	#9
I think NATO will react quickly and decisively to any attack on member nations	Torchlight	Mar 2022	#11
I worry because the fighter jets are being dispatched from Poland	Walleye	Mar 2022	#13
NATO will respond.	EndlessWire	Mar 2022	#15
nothing apparently.	drray23	Mar 2022	#19
It looks like the OP is arguing that NATO should not respond if Putin invades a NATO country.	lagomorph777	Mar 2022	#29
I think he is worried as I am to a degree	drray23	Mar 2022	#33
The escalation from conventional to nuclear war may indeed trigger a response.	SoonerPride	Mar 2022	#27
Fallout from a small tactical nuke would probably be limited.	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#34
Your concern is noted.	lagomorph777	Mar 2022	#45
Why are you helping Putin push his nuclear threats?	lagomorph777	Mar 2022	#16
Oh come on. I doubt if there is any chance whatsoever that Putin will read my	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#26
If they dont respond, it's the end of NATO	Beastly Boy	Mar 2022	#18
+1000 NATO literally has one function. If it doesn't do its job, NATO is doomed,	lagomorph777	Mar 2022	#25
A nuclear war would probably also mean the end of NATO. n/t	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#28
Continuing to appease a Putin that is willing	Hav	Mar 2022	#69
No more and no less than an end to Moscow as well nt	Torchlight	Mar 2022	#70
Not really. NATO is well prepared to win such a war,	radius777	Mar 2022	#85
Probably. But repelling agression would not.	Beastly Boy	Mar 2022	#90
There's No Risk, Putin is Full of Shit and He Will be Erased from Existence if he Attacks a NATO	Beetwasher.	Mar 2022	#31
Actually NATO is ill equipped to respond to a Russian attack.	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#41
The US is a NATO member and we spend what the next 10 countries do COMBINED	SoonerPride	Mar 2022	#42
Yes, but it would take months for us to move substantial military force to	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#48
Too late for what?	SoonerPride	Mar 2022	#49
I would imagine we have bases of some sort	Mr.Bill	Mar 2022	#94
How long do you think it would take to fly a squadron of bomber jets from the US to the Baltics?	Crunchy Frog	Mar 2022	#88
US + allies: 1.04 trillion. Russia: 0.07 trillion	lagomorph777	Mar 2022	#51
"The US Army is preparing to fight in Europe, but can it even get there?"	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#56
Awesome; you're really on a roll with the concerns there.	lagomorph777	Mar 2022	#57
Not true.	Elessar Zappa	Mar 2022	#52
You are fooling yourself.	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#62
Bullshit	Beetwasher.	Mar 2022	#59
With the Ukraine Invasion, NATO Is Suddenly Vulnerable	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#64
Concern Noted LOL	Beetwasher.	Mar 2022	#68
Corollary: with the Ukraine Invasion, Russia is vulnerable.	Torchlight	Mar 2022	#73
NATO is more united and stronger than ever.	radius777	Mar 2022	#86
Why do you have	sarisataka	Mar 2022	#36
Biden is only one NATO leader.	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#44
And you have yet another concern.	lagomorph777	Mar 2022	#55
whats wrong with analyzing possible bad scenarios ?	drray23	Mar 2022	#61
What NATO countries would back out?	sarisataka	Mar 2022	#80
Apparently wishful thinking.	lagomorph777	Mar 2022	#47
Oh come on. I didn't say that I wish for Biden to be out	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#50
Nicolae Ceaușescu was not limited to two terms as well.	Torchlight	Mar 2022	#74
I hope that Putin has the same fate as Ceaușescu.	totodeinhere	Mar 2022	#101
I bet Putin is thinking...	AntiFascist	Mar 2022	#53
He may believe that fantasy,	MarineCombatEngineer	Mar 2022	#60
I feel like NATO will be happy to follow the US into a war. If they didn't	flying_wahini	Mar 2022	#58
I wouldn't use the word "happy", but willing, yes. n/t	Mr.Bill	Mar 2022	#95
What's to prevent him from demanding he become our president if he threatens to nuke us if we don't	DemocratSinceBirth	Mar 2022	#67
Or even worse, demands Trump be president.	Mr.Bill	Mar 2022	#96
They will risk it. NO doubt. Nuclear brinkmanship as last seen during the Cuban Missile Crisis	andym	Mar 2022	#76
NATO is the defense force of Western civilization.	radius777	Mar 2022	#78
you are wrong	Skittles	Mar 2022	#79
While I don't know what would happen,	Music Man	Mar 2022	#81
So Putin is free to invade France and the UK?	Irish_Dem	Mar 2022	#82
It doesn't matter so much what Putin thinks	Fiendish Thingy	Mar 2022	#83
I don't think that Putin wants WWIII with all of its nuclear implications	Chainfire	Mar 2022	#84
So we let Putin rule the world?	hamsterjill	Mar 2022	#91
Absolutely. An attack on a NATO country would be met with overwhelming conventional force.	Crunchy Frog	Mar 2022	#92

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