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Duncan Grant

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3. Let's not minimize Will Smith's criminal assault while we're at it.

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Tue Mar 29, 2022, 02:43 AM

Mar 2022

Lest we be complicit in the attack on an awards show presenter.

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Anyone minimizing the harm of Chris Rock's "joke" needs to learn more about alopecia, [View all] pnwmom Mar 2022 OP

I'm not trashing this thread Hekate Mar 2022 #1

Regardless, Will Smith was out of line to physically assault Chris Rock. n/t xocetaceans Mar 2022 #2

He also is a hypocrite FreeState Mar 2022 #4

Yes robleb Mar 2022 #23

I never said Will should have hit anyone. But I'm tired of people focusing all their anger on him, pnwmom Mar 2022 #5

How many Best Actor Awards go to African American men? speak easy Mar 2022 #34

Not self-pity. Anger to see a loved one hurt. n/t pnwmom Mar 2022 #82

You're correct. You did not say that Rock should have been hit by Smith. xocetaceans Mar 2022 #104

Jada's husband was up for Best Actor. Should they have not sat in the front row? pnwmom Mar 2022 #105

No, I agree with your suggestion. Comedy can be just as good without aiming it at anyone. xocetaceans Mar 2022 #116

Thank you for understanding. I think the other kind of comedy is more work, pnwmom Mar 2022 #118

Let's not minimize Will Smith's criminal assault while we're at it. Duncan Grant Mar 2022 #3

I'm more focused on the harm done to Jada, and to millions of others pnwmom Mar 2022 #9

Yeah. as long as we don't minimize Chris Rock's cruel mockery of whathehell Mar 2022 #10

+1, gob smacking people are somewhat equating the two uponit7771 Mar 2022 #17

Why? The words of abuse can ring louder and longer in the ear than a slap. txwhitedove Mar 2022 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Mar 2022 #38

Yes, and let's stop co-opting us black women via problematic 'helpless victim' memes that are then Celerity Mar 2022 #42

Thank you! Solomon Mar 2022 #50

THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 Talked to wifey and niece about this and they said same thing !! Also, WS ... uponit7771 Mar 2022 #64

That was Kareem's take on substack Dorian Gray Mar 2022 #94

This is one of the most insightful posts made about the aftermath. Duncan Grant Mar 2022 #101

It is not minimizing to point out pinkstarburst Mar 2022 #53

I say assault and violence is a greater offense than being a comedian. Duncan Grant Mar 2022 #93

Thank you. Both men were wrong. I'm on Team Jada and Team Alopecia. n/t pnwmom Mar 2022 #132

By all means let's only worry about the men. we can do it Mar 2022 #141

Isn't this known as pointless perseveration? Duncan Grant Mar 2022 #142

chris rock showed us the kind of human he is, and he's made a career of it nt msongs Mar 2022 #6

Whatever you do, don't listen to old clips of Don Rickles. BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #36

+1000 Celerity Mar 2022 #41

There are those among us that are pure as the driven snow. CrackityJones75 Mar 2022 #63

And Will Smith added years to Chris Rock's career, with that slap and that language. Paladin Mar 2022 #65

+1, ... or just getting up and leave until break were Smith could talk to Rock about her condition uponit7771 Mar 2022 #66

And how would that have helped all the TV viewers with Alopecia who understood pnwmom Mar 2022 #84

But how did slapping Dorian Gray Mar 2022 #98

Bingo +1 Will made the whole joke about himself. Emile Mar 2022 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author krawhitham Mar 2022 #123

Chris Rock showed us what type of comedian he is and that is his career. PufPuf23 Mar 2022 #97

My heart goes out to those who suffer from alopecia and anyone bullied for any reason unblock Mar 2022 #7

The choice she made " to put her head on display"??? I can't believe I just read that on DU. pnwmom Mar 2022 #11

Does alopecia get a special exemption from comedic roasting? unblock Mar 2022 #14

It's a medical disease, so yes. As the National Alopecia Areata Foundation pnwmom Mar 2022 #15

But roasting over height or weight or religion or national origin is fine? unblock Mar 2022 #18

I don't care for Don Rickles style humor no matter who does it. pnwmom Mar 2022 #22

You must have missed Ricky Gervais' set. BlackSkimmer Mar 2022 #37

But Chris Rock knows more than most of your relatives about Alopecia. pnwmom Mar 2022 #39

First of all, it wasn't a "Roast, it was an award show with whathehell Mar 2022 #19

The academy awards have long included some roasting of the audience members. unblock Mar 2022 #20

agreed robleb Mar 2022 #25

Then they should stop. There's no reason to continue, if these comedians pnwmom Mar 2022 #26

That I can agree with. I'm not a fan of insult comedy. unblock Mar 2022 #56

Some, maybe, but those do not, and shouldn't, include disability whathehell Mar 2022 #27

Just about all roasting is for sadists and bullies unblock Mar 2022 #57

WHAT WAS THE CRUEL JOKE? Dorian Gray Mar 2022 #99

The " joke" is she has hardly any hair left whathehell Mar 2022 #108

I get that we don't control what we are sensitive about Dorian Gray Mar 2022 #135

Both Smith and Rock have apologized for their behaviors whathehell Mar 2022 #139

I would think medical conditions qualify as hands off material elias7 Mar 2022 #35

+1000 pnwmom Mar 2022 #40

I agree unblock Mar 2022 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author unblock Mar 2022 #8

Last night we saw that two wrongs definitely don't make a right. roamer65 Mar 2022 #12

The joke was insensitive and deserved push back. Kablooie Mar 2022 #13

He shouldn't have hit him. But how would private words helped all the TV viewers pnwmom Mar 2022 #16

During the middle of a show you can't really fix it. Kablooie Mar 2022 #21

So the comedian can engage in hurtful "jokes" in public, and no one else can respond pnwmom Mar 2022 #24

No, it is just not okay to go on stage and physically assault GumboYaYa Mar 2022 #102

I've repeatedly said what Smith did was wrong. But so was what Rock did. pnwmom Mar 2022 #103

how did the slap help TV viewers with Alopecia? fishwax Mar 2022 #91

Not in any way condoning Rock however I recall when Stephen Colbert roasted Bush and no one cstanleytech Mar 2022 #28

What disease did Colbert roast Bush for? None that I can recall. pnwmom Mar 2022 #30

The point is not what he said but rather what Smith decided to do about it as he had other options cstanleytech Mar 2022 #31

Again, I'm not justifying what Smith did. I'm saying that too many people pnwmom Mar 2022 #33

Both men were wrong. chwaliszewski Mar 2022 #29

Agreed. nt cstanleytech Mar 2022 #32

I'm just seeing Cersei Lannister in all this Sympthsical Mar 2022 #43

No more fat jokes, the person might have a disease. fightforfreedom Mar 2022 #44

Yes, no more making fun of people luv2fly Mar 2022 #45

How about no more making fun of other people's medical condition or disability for laughs? pnwmom Mar 2022 #46

+1 ChazII Mar 2022 #55

I'm so sorry for your unspeakable loss, and that other human beings made it even more painful. pnwmom Mar 2022 #77

I'm so sorry for what your son went through MustLoveBeagles Mar 2022 #79

What do you lose by deciding not to make fun of someone's appearance? WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2022 #48

A Whole Lot RobinA Mar 2022 #85

. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2022 #86

It sounds like you're fine with bullies! Nt USALiberal Mar 2022 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 Mar 2022 #68

How about just not making fun of people's appearances, period? AngryOldDem Mar 2022 #71

Taking Smith's action out of it completely treestar Mar 2022 #89

I miss intelligent comics who didn't depend on Don Rickles insults to make jokes. n/t pnwmom Mar 2022 #113

Agreed. And the ones who could be funny without expletives. treestar Mar 2022 #140

"Jada, I love you. GI Jane 2, can't wait to see you." Johnny2X2X Mar 2022 #47

The National Alopecia Areata Foundation disagrees with you. pnwmom Mar 2022 #51

Will Smith might have believed he was protecting his wife. Emile Mar 2022 #49

That is indeed very old fashioned and anti-feminist treestar Mar 2022 #92

If you bully someone with a disability, or medical condition, etc, Roisin Ni Fiachra Mar 2022 #52

Excellent post pinkstarburst Mar 2022 #54

I think Will Smith deserves credit for standing up for someone else's woman like that. nt LexVegas Mar 2022 #59

LOL I see what you did there! Emile Mar 2022 #60

lofl ... and these jokes will keep comin !!! Smith made it worse ... lol uponit7771 Mar 2022 #69

Thank you for a much needed post, and for the grace you've shown Native Mar 2022 #61

The slap was a 2 second pain for Rock. The "joke" will be a lifetime shame for Jada. LizBeth Mar 2022 #70

If it were off camera, different story. But the Oscars makes it her lifetime moniker lindysalsagal Mar 2022 #73

Will's actions gave the "joke" eternal life fishwax Mar 2022 #100

Of course you could say that, but his inaction would have been judged, as well. lindysalsagal Mar 2022 #109

nobody worth worrying about would have judged him if he'd simply supported his wife instead of fishwax Mar 2022 #110

It is strange to me that most people agree that insulting people is wrong ripcord Mar 2022 #72

This is what I have never accepted and am hearing so clearly today. LizBeth Mar 2022 #81

That used to be the exception, but some here are claiming it's the rule. pnwmom Mar 2022 #83

It's Reminding Me RobinA Mar 2022 #87

They don't ibegurpard Mar 2022 #120

Yes and no. SYFROYH Mar 2022 #74

If that's now a normal part of the Oscars, they should end it and go back pnwmom Mar 2022 #115

and that's why the academy is investigating, oh wait, Will Smith! Emile Mar 2022 #75

I don't think you get it. Goodheart Mar 2022 #76

I have seen quite a number of people on DU say some version of "it was just a joke." pnwmom Mar 2022 #80

Thank you for that...a girl at my daughter's high school attempted suicide over the same thing... Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #78

If only Smith had not hit him, but made a statement to the press treestar Mar 2022 #88

Oh Please. Stop attempting to justify the violence. Evergreen Emerald Mar 2022 #90

I haven't said a word to justify the violence. I just want people to stop minimizing pnwmom Mar 2022 #114

If Rock didn't know she had alopecia, the wrong belongs entirely to the Smiths gulliver Mar 2022 #95

Rock DOES know that many Black women do have an autoimmune Alopecia -- 15% -- pnwmom Mar 2022 #112

K&R GoodRaisin Mar 2022 #96

My daughter had it, no joke kids called her baldy, but Smith should not hit anybody RANDYWILDMAN Mar 2022 #107

I didn't say he should have hit anybody. But there are people her claiming Rock's joke was harmless pnwmom Mar 2022 #111

Perhaps someday our culture will advance to the point where bald really is beautiful andym Mar 2022 #117

I loved that movie and she was incredibly beautiful! betsuni Mar 2022 #137

Not necessary to minimize what an inappropriate joke it was ibegurpard Mar 2022 #119

It isn't necessary to minimize it but plenty of people are doing it anyway. n/t pnwmom Mar 2022 #126

Bullying of Kids is a horrible thing and serious issue that we haven't done enough JI7 Mar 2022 #121

My OP isn't about Will Smith. It's about Jada and Rock and his joke about her bald head. n/t pnwmom Mar 2022 #127

And it's still not the same as the bullying of kids in school JI7 Mar 2022 #136

The National Alopecia Areata Foundation disagrees with you. pnwmom Mar 2022 #138

Time this thread was retired canetoad Mar 2022 #122

Whoa. I think it's time for you to leave. n/t pnwmom Mar 2022 #128

Do you now? canetoad Mar 2022 #133

You told me to retire my OP. If anything was inane and bullying, pnwmom Mar 2022 #134

Chris Rock did not know she has alopecia krawhitham Mar 2022 #124

Chris Rock was the producer of GOOD HAIR, a documentary about Black women's pnwmom Mar 2022 #125

Agree Meowmee Mar 2022 #129

Right, it's too long. Why fill it up with stupid comedy acts? n/t pnwmom Mar 2022 #130

Exactly 😀 Meowmee Mar 2022 #131

Moderators are starting to trash these threads.. Emile Mar 2022 #143

I'm gonna start trashing them Sugarcoated Mar 2022 #145

Me too! It's time to move on. Emile Mar 2022 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author Sugarcoated Mar 2022 #144