Just read this story about him. I worked in a situation like this once and loved every minute. (Reply #113)

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Hoyt (54,770 posts)

113. Just read this story about him. I worked in a situation like this once and loved every minute.

Circa 2010, as Tesla was developing its first mass-market car, the Model S sedan, engineers on the project would occasionally hitch rides from Los Angeles to Silicon Valley on Musk’s private jet. On one such trip, an engineer recalled asking Musk his opinion on the sedan’s suspension – should it be sporty like a BMW, or more cushy like a Lexus?

“I’m going to sell a f*** load of cars, so whatever suspension you need so I can sell a f*** load of cars – that’s the suspension I want,” Musk replied according to the engineer.

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Ukrainian soldier says Elon Musk's Starlink satellites 'changed the war in Ukraine's favor' [View all]	EX500rider	Apr 2022	OP
This is awesome!!	Lunabell	Apr 2022	#1
Musk is a un-American fascist pos.	rockfordfile	Apr 2022	#28
Yep	Lunabell	Apr 2022	#34
So he's a Putin supporter but is helping Ukraine fight off Russia?	EX500rider	Apr 2022	#38
I don't know honestly if he is a Putin supporter however if he is	cstanleytech	Apr 2022	#40
Really?	EX500rider	Apr 2022	#41
Yes it could simple as that. Weirder things have happened such	cstanleytech	Apr 2022	#45
Yes a Simpsons episode is just like helping Ukraine's military in a war with Russia...	EX500rider	Apr 2022	#53
I used that as a example of wierd things that can happen but I am baffled	cstanleytech	Apr 2022	#56
No just saying there's no way they don't know they're helping the Ukrainian military	EX500rider	Apr 2022	#57
Of course they know if it's happening but foreseeing it ahead of time? I doubt it.	cstanleytech	May 2022	#60
You do know starling was sent AFTER the invasion right?	NotTodayPutin	May 2022	#74
Sure however that does mean that the Ukraine military using it could have been foreseen.	cstanleytech	May 2022	#76
"does mean that the Ukraine military using it could have been foreseen."	EX500rider	May 2022	#90
Musk doesn't give a rat's ass about Ukraine	rockfordfile	Apr 2022	#51
So he donated the Starlink service why exactly?	EX500rider	Apr 2022	#52
Musk is giving with one hand and being un-American fascist pos with the other	rockfordfile	Apr 2022	#54
Musk may indeed be all of these things, or	LuckyCharms	May 2022	#91
An independent citizen that's done more for Ukraine	Igirl	May 2022	#95
I'll give credit where credit's due	NBachers	Apr 2022	#2
...to all of the overworked SpaceX employees that engineered, built and manufactured these	ColinC	Apr 2022	#4
Post removed	Post removed	Apr 2022	#7
Why is giving credit to the people who developed and built a device	ColinC	Apr 2022	#8
Does musk deserve any credit? Nt	USALiberal	Apr 2022	#9
Virtually none.	ColinC	Apr 2022	#11
This message was self-deleted by its author	USALiberal	Apr 2022	#12
Question: have you ever had a candid conversation with a SpaceX employee?	ColinC	Apr 2022	#13
They are welcome to quit. That's what people do when they hate their jobs.	USALiberal	Apr 2022	#15
They do. Just look at the NLRB complaints and turnover rates of his companies..	ColinC	May 2022	#59
Are you saying no one wants to work for Musk?	Hoyt	Apr 2022	#16
Not at all. But I would imagine he would get better results if they were not burned out	ColinC	May 2022	#58
Most of the engineers, etc., likely don't feel burnout. Bet they are humming,	Hoyt	May 2022	#62
Have you spoken with any?	ColinC	May 2022	#64
There is not a large company -- even ones favored by Dems -- that doesn't have	Hoyt	May 2022	#65
The companyis currently being sued by the state of California for racism	ColinC	May 2022	#66
Bet they have a long waiting list of Democrats who would love to work for Musk.	Hoyt	May 2022	#67
Still doesn't change the evidence that it is likely a shitty place to work for.	ColinC	May 2022	#69
Nor is there another large company that's done as much	Igirl	May 2022	#97
Yep, "Elon bad" seems to be the meme of the week.	Hoyt	May 2022	#98
He's always sucked.	ColinC	May 2022	#100
The people waiting for a chance to work for his companies don't bear that out.	Hoyt	May 2022	#101
The people leaving for better companies, do.	ColinC	May 2022	#107
What exactly are those better companies?	Hoyt	May 2022	#110
Literally any other major defense contractor.	ColinC	May 2022	#117
Boeing has lot of employee complaints. Plus, Musk gets points for not being heavily into bombs, etc.	Hoyt	May 2022	#118
Boeing has lots more employees. Per Capita, they have far less complaints.	ColinC	May 2022	#119
Love how we've turned to supporting military spending to further hate on Musk.	Hoyt	May 2022	#123
Not hating. Just acknowledging how defense companies do better	ColinC	May 2022	#124
I disagree. I think the companies that make the javelins, etc have done far more	ColinC	May 2022	#99
Now, you are supporting Raytheon & Lockheed Martin to get at Musk. Jeeeeez.	Hoyt	May 2022	#102
Do you deny they have built the basic weaponry for Ukraine to defend themselves?	ColinC	May 2022	#104
I don't care. Zelensky: "I'm grateful to him [Musk] for supporting Ukraine with words and deeds."	Hoyt	May 2022	#108
Cool. What has he said about weapons?	ColinC	May 2022	#109
The drones are basically useless without a sat link back to the user.	EX500rider	May 2022	#111
And the satellite links are useless without weapons to protect them.	ColinC	May 2022	#112
the profiteering MIC?	WarGamer	May 2022	#103
Cannot deny that. I also cannot deny they have helped Ukraine substantially	ColinC	May 2022	#106
the MIC doesn't load boats with weapons for free...	WarGamer	May 2022	#127
I like the idea of not needing it entirely	ColinC	May 2022	#128
High rankings	manicdem	May 2022	#83
Just read this story about him. I worked in a situation like this once and loved every minute.	Hoyt	May 2022	#113
Agree with Colin C.	AllyCat	Apr 2022	#19
"Taxpayers bought the comm system."	EX500rider	Apr 2022	#55
SpaceX originally claimed the US gave them nothing. That was a lie.	ColinC	May 2022	#61
Orginally they didn't	Sgent	May 2022	#77
Not true. The entire charge of shipping was covered by the government	ColinC	May 2022	#78
There is no "retail" version sold	Sgent	May 2022	#79
Again. Not true.	ColinC	May 2022	#80
The systems cost a lot more than that.	manicdem	May 2022	#81
Great. I hope that's true. Just feel Musk loves to toot his own horn	AllyCat	May 2022	#70
And yet, he quitely donated $5.7 B recently, didn't toot his horn, and people still bashed him.	Hoyt	May 2022	#115
Yet still pays nearly 0 taxes. Donations don't compare to his fair share of taxes he has avoided.	ColinC	May 2022	#120
Actually, he paid $11 billion in taxes recently. That was before selling	Hoyt	May 2022	#121
Less than 5% in taxes	ColinC	May 2022	#125
Colin, you can start a company and get the same breaks as Musk for amortizing startup expenses,	Hoyt	May 2022	#129
Or people can just start paying their fair share in taxes to begin with	ColinC	May 2022	#132
...if my dad owned an emerald mine in apartheid south africa	ColinC	May 2022	#135
What did his dad's money have to do with anything?	EX500rider	May 2022	#138
Trying to tell a random lower middle class person that they have the same ooportunities	ColinC	May 2022	#139
Who says his dad was a billionaire?	EX500rider	May 2022	#140
5% of what? You don't pay taxes on your total wealth every year but on income nt	EX500rider	May 2022	#133
Most people actually do pay based on nearly their total wealth	ColinC	May 2022	#134
Musk is paying the highest tax bill ever paid by a individual for last year $11 billion	EX500rider	May 2022	#122
That highlights a larger problem. It doesn't actually make Musk honorable.	ColinC	May 2022	#131
The government paid about 3X the retail price for the systems.	ColinC	May 2022	#71
The question should be if the Us govt had not stepped up and paid would musk have acted anyway?	PortTack	Apr 2022	#25
Not to mention....	SergeStorms	Apr 2022	#30
What makes you think the govt paid for them all?	EX500rider	Apr 2022	#35
The question remains.	ColinC	May 2022	#63
I don't agree with your assessment of the WaPo article	PortTack	May 2022	#92
By "my assessment" you mean my direct quote from the article? nt	EX500rider	May 2022	#94
This	PortTack	May 2022	#96
No, a terminal costs a lot more but Starlink sells them at a big discount when you sign up for 3 yrs	EX500rider	May 2022	#105
Okay so their website says the cost is $600? Very curious. If the cost is really $1500	PortTack	May 2022	#116
It wasn't just the US, according to news reports, it was	MerryBlooms	May 2022	#126
Actually they did gift most of them.	EX500rider	Apr 2022	#39
Starlink dishes are sold at 500 a piece	ColinC	May 2022	#68
Kits cost more	manicdem	May 2022	#82
Trump is on Russia's side along with most of the GOP.	blm	Apr 2022	#3
"... on Russia's side along with most of the GOP."	EX500rider	Apr 2022	#36
I still don't trust Musk	Pachamama	Apr 2022	#5
So, NASA was stupid to hire him?? Nt	USALiberal	Apr 2022	#10
There was a thread on that too bashing NASA for using contractors, not	Hoyt	Apr 2022	#18
NASA was ENTIRELY contractors	localroger	Apr 2022	#47
Most government contractors are half decent	ColinC	May 2022	#73
The Russian generals are probably pulling their hair out.	lpbk2713	Apr 2022	#6
the ones that are still alive....	bahboo	Apr 2022	#14
+1	Celerity	May 2022	#75
Now, that's not fitting with the general tenor.	Hoyt	Apr 2022	#17
Well, I at least give him credit for that.	Crunchy Frog	Apr 2022	#20
Musk seems like he has a split personality.	nycbos	Apr 2022	#21
The technology definitely did a solid for Ukraine but its wasn't given away, it was purchased by	yaesu	Apr 2022	#22
Supposed silver lining for Dem Elon fanboys	greenjar_01	Apr 2022	#23
Well that's cheering! nt	LAS14	Apr 2022	#24
Credit	orangecrush	Apr 2022	#26
Musk should buy some Fighter Jets for the Ukrainians, instead	amuse bouche	Apr 2022	#27
Reliable communications and internet	EX500rider	Apr 2022	#33
My point was the grotesque waste of money on buying twitter	amuse bouche	Apr 2022	#44
How exactly did he benefit from apartheid?	EX500rider	Apr 2022	#46
He does some good things. He's a mixed bag.	Wingus Dingus	Apr 2022	#29
Not Wise To Publish This	DallasNE	Apr 2022	#31
Russia has already been trying to hack Starlink	EX500rider	Apr 2022	#37
That's often to the case.	Igel	Apr 2022	#43
Exactly! Nt	ecstatic	May 2022	#137
Well, Musk Is A Little Less of a Jerk	Deep State Witch	Apr 2022	#32
More supervillains should do good things	IronLionZion	Apr 2022	#42
The ones he promised were free but the US paid for instead ?	SoonerPride	Apr 2022	#48
Don't think so:	EX500rider	Apr 2022	#49
Kudos to you for putting forth logic and reason vs. unsupported, emotional drivel.	Abolishinist	May 2022	#72
Next he'll take credit for the sun rising.	dalton99a	Apr 2022	#50
I'm thinking some USA and NATO	48656c6c6f20	May 2022	#84
No not really	EX500rider	May 2022	#87
It works like this:	EX500rider	May 2022	#88
Yeah think	48656c6c6f20	May 2022	#89
"Radio Shack" stuff?	EX500rider	May 2022	#114
Hope he doesn't decide to use them against democracy in a fit of pique next time (Nt)	FreepFryer	May 2022	#85
k&r	BSdetect	May 2022	#86
Musk supporting freedom for Ukraine is good. His freedom of speech position is problematic	andym	May 2022	#93
Musk isn't pro Putin.	DemocratSinceBirth	May 2022	#130
A very good thing! 👍nt	Raine	May 2022	#136

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