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22. Here is some reading on this "movement"
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 01:57 PM
Nov 2012

"Men's Rights" Groups Have Become Frighteningly Effective

They’re changing custody rights and domestic violence laws.

Posted: Thursday, November 5, 2009 7:45am
By Kathryn Joyce



At the end of October, National Domestic Violence Awareness Month, members of the men’s movement group RADAR (Respecting Accuracy in Domestic Abuse Reporting) gathered on the steps of Congress to lobby against what they say are the suppressed truths about domestic violence: that false allegations are rampant, that a feminist-run court system fraudulently separates innocent fathers from children, that battered women’s shelters are running a racket that funnels federal dollars to feminists, that domestic-violence laws give cover to cagey mail-order brides seeking Green Cards, and finally, that men are victims of an unrecognized epidemic of violence at the hands of abusive wives.

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One of the respectable new faces of the movement is Glenn Sacks, a fathers' rights columnist and radio host with 50,000 e-mail followers, and a pragmatist in a world of angry dreamers. Sacks is a former feminist and abortion-clinic defender who disavows what he calls “the not-insubstantial lunatic fringe of the fathers’ rights movement.” He recently merged his successful media group with the shared-parenting organization Fathers and Families in a bid to build a mainstream fathers' rights organ on par with the National Organization for Women. Many of Sacks’ arguments—for a court assumption of shared parenting in the case of divorce, or against child-support rigidity in the midst of recession—can sound reasonable.

But do any of their arguments hold up? Many of the men for whom Sacks advocates are involved in extreme cases, says Joanie Dawson, a writer and domestic-violence advocate who has covered the fathers’ rights movement. The great majority of custody cases, in which shared parenting is a legitimate option, are settled or resolved privately. But of the 15 percent that go to family court—the cases that fathers’ rights groups target—at least half include alleged domestic abuse.

http://www.doublex.com/section/news-politics/mens-rights-groups-have-become-frighteningly-effective?page=0,0


http://www.xyonline.net/content/responding-mens-rights-groups

http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/2004/09/29/masculinity-and-the-failure-of-the-mens-rights-movement-updated/

Excellent articles at the links.

Oh, I thought it was a movement to give fathers marybourg Nov 2012 #1
LOL DURHAM D Nov 2012 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #2
Talk about a biased poll wording. MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #3
I don't know enough about the movement so I picked other Marrah_G Nov 2012 #4
I raised Go Vols Nov 2012 #5
I Was A Custodial Father The River Nov 2012 #6
Election season is officially over leftstreet Nov 2012 #7
i choose other. i do not support MRA. i do support father rights and fight for it equally seabeyond Nov 2012 #9
LOL! Fantastic push polling. cali Nov 2012 #10
As long as the father in question didn't rape the mother which resulted in a pregnancy LynneSin Nov 2012 #11
and isnt it sad we have to make this clarification. i think that says a hell of a lot. yes... nt seabeyond Nov 2012 #14
I know LynneSin Nov 2012 #20
The so-called men's movement is pretty ugly stuff. cali Nov 2012 #26
You said - DURHAM D Nov 2012 #12
+1000. And I will never support any movement to give parents custody based on their gender... Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #43
I support equal protection under law. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #13
+1. nt DevonRex Nov 2012 #29
me too liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #35
Custody shouldn't be determined by gender LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #15
I believe fathers should be much more involved with parenting. redqueen Nov 2012 #16
lots of good info at www.fathersandfamilies.org grasswire Nov 2012 #17
I think it's very complicated blue_heron Nov 2012 #18
i did vote yes, but changed to other PowerToThePeople Nov 2012 #19
I support equal rights for both parents. I'm suspicious of "father's rights" movement, however. HuckleB Nov 2012 #21
"Hate your ex all you want, but don't spew it on your kids." +100 n/t moriah Nov 2012 #39
Here is some reading on this "movement" cali Nov 2012 #22
There are too many assholes involved Taverner Nov 2012 #32
Absolutely. Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #23
And as children age, the "best parent" may change. moriah Nov 2012 #42
On paper, yes Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #24
This is true Taverner Nov 2012 #31
These groups are like groups for white rights. cali Nov 2012 #25
I used to think that way but Johonny Nov 2012 #28
Yes there are people with an axe to grind involved at times Taverner Nov 2012 #33
my brother in law was basically being screwed in the courts liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #34
As long as there's no history of domestic violence, yes... nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #27
Agree 100% Taverner Nov 2012 #30
do support legal rights of fathers, do not support some of the organizations involved liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #36
I support The ERA. NT bemildred Nov 2012 #37
I do too - if the ERA had passed in the 70s.... Taverner Nov 2012 #41
Yep. I just think that's the right way to do it, same rules for everybody. bemildred Nov 2012 #44
As others have said, the concept yes, but not the organized movement Hippo_Tron Nov 2012 #38
OK - the issue - not the "movement" Taverner Nov 2012 #40
Fighting for Fathers to be there for their children Joseph Sparacino Nov 2012 #45
Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #46
Agreed. Kids need a village, but if they have a dad, they need him Taverner Nov 2012 #47
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