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Ocelot II

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18. Bingo. Whatever bad shit England got up to in its history,
Sun May 7, 2023, 10:22 AM
May 2023

which is also our history, was the work of many people and institutions. England had had a parliament for centuries; following the house arrest, trial and execution of Charles I by the Parliament in 1649 (obviously he wasn't really in control of things at that point), there was an interregnum during which England, led by Oliver Cromwell, declared itself a republic. During this period Cromwell brutally conquered Ireland and invaded Scotland, then returned to England and dissolved Parliament. A reconstituted Parliament then declared Cromwell "Lord Protector for life." Under Cromwell's rule Britain continued the expansion of its empire. After his death, and notwithstanding his objections to monarchy, Cromwell was succeeded as Lord Protector by his son Richard. Richard had no power base in Parliament or the Army and was forced to resign in May 1659, ending the Protectorate. Concluding that the republic thing hadn't worked out so well after all, Parliament invited Charles II back from exile and restored him to the throne in 1660. He was succeeded by his brother James II, who was basically chased off the throne after constant battles with Parliament in the Glorious Revolution of 1688, and replaced by William of Orange and Mary. The Glorious Revolution established the primacy of parliamentary sovereignty.

English history consists of constant battles between forces of the monarchy, the church(es), and elected representatives. England hasn't had an absolute monarch since the early middle ages (if even then), as much as many of them wanted to be one, and to place all the evils of the empire on the shoulders of increasingly weak monarchs is to completely ignore or misunderstand this complex history. I am not advocating for monarchy; it's clearly an antiquated and unnecessary form of government that still survives only as a historical and symbolic relic. The monarchs of Britain and the other European countries that still have them are essentially powerless and ceremonial, serving only as titular heads of state, not heads of government. Any of those countries, all of which are also representative democracies, could abolish their monarchies through acts of their parliaments but so far they have chosen not to do so. It makes no more sense to heap hate on the soap-opera Windsor family that it does to hate the Kardashians.

Or, fans of the US Constitution Effete Snob May 2023 #1
Thank you. BlackSkimmer May 2023 #13
+1 Kaleva May 2023 #16
The marvelous series bucolic_frolic May 2023 #2
Britain abolished the transatlantic slave trade in 1807 Ocelot II May 2023 #3
You're right, of course. However, I still have absolutely... dchill May 2023 #4
And you don't have to. They are Britain's problem, if they even consider them a problem, Ocelot II May 2023 #5
Yep. Not trying to start anything. dchill May 2023 #6
The alternative that the greedy conservatives PlutosHeart May 2023 #7
Thank you. I censored myself b/c it would start a ruckus. UTUSN May 2023 #10
Can't have that! Hi 👋 dchill May 2023 #12
Seems some here dislike the monarchy to the extent Polly Hennessey May 2023 #8
That's nice, but their centuries long empire whathehell May 2023 #9
That empire was *our* history. We *were* them until 1776. Ocelot II May 2023 #17
+1 treestar May 2023 #23
Lol..Nice try, but *we* have not been *them* whathehell May 2023 #25
It was nothing of the kind. The history of the US up to 1776 Ocelot II May 2023 #26
Um, the United States of America whathehell May 2023 #30
That is exactly my point. The US did not exist before 1776. Ocelot II May 2023 #31
I don't ignore how we came to be, but whathehell May 2023 #32
Well said. nt BlackSkimmer May 2023 #14
This obsession with the coronation needs to end at some point GenThePerservering May 2023 #11
What has that got to do with the modern treestar May 2023 #15
Bingo. Whatever bad shit England got up to in its history, Ocelot II May 2023 #18
People seem to want to feel like their opposing the royal family is something greater than it is JI7 May 2023 #19
Exactly. BlackSkimmer May 2023 #21
If we do a geneology check on you ripcord May 2023 #20
My ancestors were Vikings and smugglers. Ocelot II May 2023 #22
There is no need for the monarchy. Time to get rid of it & put the public tax funded $ to better use FlyingPiggy May 2023 #24
Britain can do just that by an act of Parliament. So far they haven't done it. Ocelot II May 2023 #27
If it was good enough for Jill Biden... Locutusofborg May 2023 #28
My bad...I knew I should of trashed this. Won't happen again nt GuppyGal May 2023 #29
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