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intheflow

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150. And yet, this particular system is a human construct.
Tue May 16, 2023, 02:21 PM
May 2023

We can improve it. We can do better. I mean, c'mon, are you really arguing that Democrats are above constructive criticism from their own party members? That there's no worth in examining our past actions to see how they might have contributed to the current political clusterfuck? Trump did not win in a vacuum, and it's absolutely worth our while to see where we've excluded would-be supporters by our past actions. To say it doesn't have value or it's equivalent to bashing the party is to demand we all walk lockstep in smug arrogance of our own supposed infalability.

Young people are tired of excuses. MontanaMama May 2023 #1
Really, young people should learn how the governments works. Instead of attacking Schumer, he Demsrule86 May 2023 #16
'They were told to vote and that is how change happens and they did. Cuthbert Allgood May 2023 #24
Did he send a letter to Mitch McConnell? Republicans are standing in the way of gun control. emulatorloo May 2023 #32
Exactly. And David Hogg knows full well how government works. edisdead May 2023 #44
That's a waste of time. Our side needs to keep beating the drum! Pisces May 2023 #67
we are all worried about guns. edisdead May 2023 #147
This message was self-deleted by its author Alpeduez21 May 2023 #240
How exactly is that going to work? Cuthbert Allgood May 2023 #128
And pushing the idea that voting didn't work IS going to help? edisdead May 2023 #151
+1 betsuni May 2023 #153
That won't help. McConnell knows that youth won't vote GQP either way - too many othe objections TeamProg May 2023 #117
I think continuous voting to end assault weapons might have a good effect for our country Maraya1969 May 2023 #144
Is Mitch MConnell Senate majority leader? progressoid May 2023 #149
Damn good question. BlackSkimmer May 2023 #206
"Establishment" sheshe2 May 2023 #238
Return home, find your family eaten and everything destroyed, see a tiger and a kittycat inside. betsuni May 2023 #252
Nobody should have to be told to go vote, I voted every time I'm exhausted Walleye May 2023 #42
Right, it is not just vote once and treestar May 2023 #102
Really, after all these years we have to fight for our reproductive rights again, we have no choice Walleye May 2023 #103
It's not like Hogg is a brand new Gen Z voter Cuthbert Allgood May 2023 #129
Parkland was 5 years ago. bottomofthehill May 2023 #138
1789-1919 ExWhoDoesntCare May 2023 #163
Yes, but injustices aren't some pro sport. intheflow May 2023 #219
I'm assuming you aren't familiar with this person. They are a survivor of the Parkland shooting. ramen May 2023 #221
I have exactly ZERO respect, empathy, or concern for anyone who doesn't vote The Mouth May 2023 #197
AMEN! Unca Jim May 2023 #100
they said they would bring a bill over and over? treestar May 2023 #101
Politics is about service, isn't it? Cuthbert Allgood May 2023 #130
No inthewind21 May 2023 #142
Yes Texaswitchy May 2023 #207
Is that any different than any adult? LakeArenal May 2023 #124
But they aren't getting what they want anyway? Cuthbert Allgood May 2023 #131
Don't vote inthewind21 May 2023 #143
Exactly. Texaswitchy May 2023 #210
Well Madison UW students turned out 90%. LakeArenal May 2023 #155
They'll never get it if they'd rather piss and moan ExWhoDoesntCare May 2023 #165
He's getting inthewind21 May 2023 #208
How do we pass a bill without it passing the house and the senate? edisdead May 2023 #213
Other people voted too. And those other people elected Republicans in some places. BlueCheeseAgain May 2023 #172
Ummm, they are voting ... for Dems. KPN May 2023 #57
He's only stating the facts. Ignoring facts is a sure-fire way to help the GOP win. jaxexpat May 2023 #58
Maybe inthewind21 May 2023 #66
Which Democrats are ignoring gun control? I would like to contact them. emulatorloo May 2023 #77
Ignoring facts, ignoring voters, ignoring history? betsuni May 2023 #92
Their too spoiled and pampered arses, that's where ExWhoDoesntCare May 2023 #166
Well, his own parents are Republicans JI7 May 2023 #250
Exactly inthewind21 May 2023 #64
+1 betsuni May 2023 #91
Sorry, but politics as usual on the Democratic side just doesn't cut it anymore. lees1975 May 2023 #256
I'm a Boomer. Our version of being tired of excuses wnylib May 2023 #25
they are just part of the electorate treestar May 2023 #99
Of course they are there to be served. That's was politics is. Cuthbert Allgood May 2023 #135
So are we old people. calimary May 2023 #111
+1 betsuni May 2023 #113
Ask him if knows where the magic wand is. Happy Hoosier May 2023 #126
If only we had control of both houses of congress and the White House at some point recently. progressoid May 2023 #160
When did Democrats have supermajorities with every Democrat voting the same recently? betsuni May 2023 #162
For what? progressoid May 2023 #175
Very well spoken. I'm impressed so much by this young man. NT SWBTATTReg May 2023 #2
Impressed ? That he attacks a Democrat on this issue. Where is his tweet to McConnell? What Demsrule86 May 2023 #17
If you don't think he has made his point clear to Repubicans Cuthbert Allgood May 2023 #28
Makes it as clear as Jill Stein does. edisdead May 2023 #55
Bingo inthewind21 May 2023 #68
Bullshit. progressoid May 2023 #157
well that isn't what I said either. edisdead May 2023 #159
Oh, maybe he should say, "pretty please?" progressoid May 2023 #164
Good grief ExWhoDoesntCare May 2023 #177
Speaking of condescending... progressoid May 2023 #179
just what exactly would you have Chuck Schumer do? edisdead May 2023 #189
It's not tearing Democrats apart. progressoid May 2023 #191
What voices have not been heard? edisdead May 2023 #193
+1 betsuni May 2023 #195
I'm not saying voices aren't being heard. But apparently Hogg's voice is pissing a lot of people off progressoid May 2023 #196
Uh huh inthewind21 May 2023 #211
Truth. edisdead May 2023 #215
WHat attack??? FoxNewsSucks May 2023 #48
Reality is treestar May 2023 #104
The attack is making the argument that he did his part now he should have gotten what he wanted. edisdead May 2023 #194
The republicans already KNOW this, that's why they are looking at ways to suppress the youth vote Zipgun May 2023 #49
It's not just their issues that count treestar May 2023 #105
He literally watched his friends get shot in front of him. Cuthbert Allgood May 2023 #134
As have inthewind21 May 2023 #148
Nice to see you are doubling down on his Harvard political science degree being bad. Cuthbert Allgood May 2023 #161
Well, I really inthewind21 May 2023 #217
I have seen some horrible things in my life to Texaswitchy May 2023 #203
"in my life to" what Cuthbert Allgood May 2023 #237
You call his message an attack? I'd say that it's just a young voter sending his thoughts to the SWBTATTReg May 2023 #125
Fair enough. It is also hyperbolic to call Democrats 'cowards' and 'fear the NRA.' emulatorloo May 2023 #167
Well if you consider a hissy fit to be "well-spoken," ExWhoDoesntCare May 2023 #168
He is right about this. mountain grammy May 2023 #3
Here, Here! Picaro May 2023 #4
He speaks 100% spoiled brat whingeing ExWhoDoesntCare May 2023 #174
Yep. Texaswitchy May 2023 #218
I can't wait 'til he is old enough to run for office. lastlib May 2023 #5
In the state of Florida BumRushDaShow May 2023 #76
And, he could run at the local level. LisaM May 2023 #93
Yup and agree BumRushDaShow May 2023 #97
Excellent points. I hope he gets some constructive suggestions like this. ancianita May 2023 #242
I can't wait until he holds an office and learns treestar May 2023 #106
I agree completely!!! Why won't dems go BIG?!! Our elected reps should be unabashedly radical! rainin May 2023 #6
How do we go big without sufficient numbers of Democrats? Try not attacking Democrats and voting for Demsrule86 May 2023 #19
power concedes nothing without a demand Celerity May 2023 #23
We have get the numbers period. Demsrule86 May 2023 #26
Taking the overall stance that flows from your logic, we may well never would have even tried to Celerity May 2023 #33
Baloney. edisdead May 2023 #223
Maybe try serving the people who vote for them? FoxNewsSucks May 2023 #50
Newsflash inthewind21 May 2023 #73
what else should be brought up repeatedly? treestar May 2023 #110
It's their future and they want a seat at the table. Better listen.. Deuxcents May 2023 #7
Then run for election. Demsrule86 May 2023 #27
So now the goal posts have moved from voting to running for office? Cuthbert Allgood May 2023 #29
lol inthewind21 May 2023 #75
That's what you have to do to have influence treestar May 2023 #112
Where were they in 2016 when the SC was at stake? A slight majority in the Senate, with Manchin JohnSJ May 2023 #115
THAT is the inthewind21 May 2023 #127
Yeah, stupid sophomores in high school not doing anything. Cuthbert Allgood May 2023 #183
Yes inthewind21 May 2023 #222
In some high school sophomore class, if my math is right. Cuthbert Allgood May 2023 #181
He does realize the Senate has a mere 51-49 D majority SouthBayDem May 2023 #8
His tweet to Schumer indicates that wnylib May 2023 #36
I am pretty sure most "younger voters" realize that Democrats are for gun reform legislation. It JohnSJ May 2023 #122
Younger voters would not remember that history of gun control. wnylib May 2023 #145
So inthewind21 May 2023 #154
Huge K&R. n/t OneGrassRoot May 2023 #9
Who doesn't know that it's Republicans that oppose gun control ? JI7 May 2023 #10
Voter apathy isn't a thing that occurs out of thin air or laziness msfiddlestix May 2023 #34
it's Republicans that are preventing gun control. JI7 May 2023 #61
Of course it is, but that isn't in dispute. msfiddlestix May 2023 #259
Oh but it is inthewind21 May 2023 #81
Totally singing and yelling at the choir. msfiddlestix May 2023 #260
Republican enthusiasm treestar May 2023 #116
Im not an apathetic voter..I know what is always at stakjel I have ever missed a election msfiddlestix May 2023 #178
It is laziness , ignorance , and inflated Ego JI7 May 2023 #247
After the Parkland shooting and when Mr. Hogg testified in front of Congress some members of either Botany May 2023 #11
I agree. cksmithy May 2023 #186
100% agreed. Thanks for saying it better than I might have lol!! halobeam May 2023 #212
uh oh, he called Schumer and cohort "establishment Democrats" SYFROYH May 2023 #12
Being against the establishment is so 1960s Walleye May 2023 #46
"Hogg is well intentioned, but maybe he ought to tweet Kevin McCarthy or Mitch McConnell too." J_William_Ryan May 2023 #13
More power to him and his young followers. Reasons, read excuses, are a dime a dozen. Magoo48 May 2023 #14
So you think attacking Democrats who want to fix guns is helpful? I do not. Demsrule86 May 2023 #21
And as usual ExWhoDoesntCare May 2023 #171
Exactly inthewind21 May 2023 #226
Right because we don't need no stinking majority to pass bills. Demsrule86 May 2023 #30
our peril? treestar May 2023 #118
I doubt they'd turn to Republicans. There are other options which exclude Democrats. Magoo48 May 2023 #233
not realistic ones treestar May 2023 #257
K&R spanone May 2023 #15
Probably because the younger generation is intheflow May 2023 #18
Are they really? Maybe they should understand that we need to toss out Republicans Demsrule86 May 2023 #22
++++. Very tiresome that some people falsely blame Democrats for what Republicans do. emulatorloo May 2023 #37
Thank you! This is why we find ourselves in this position.... Demsrule86 May 2023 #65
+1 betsuni May 2023 #96
Exactly! edisdead May 2023 #228
LITEREALLY inthewind21 May 2023 #85
You can call it blame or you could consider it constructive criticism. intheflow May 2023 #146
it's life and the system and treestar May 2023 #119
And yet, this particular system is a human construct. intheflow May 2023 #150
Good grief ExWhoDoesntCare May 2023 #170
Good grief. intheflow May 2023 #198
Well inthewind21 May 2023 #227
I voted for Clinton in 2016 so I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. n/t intheflow May 2023 #229
Well inthewind21 May 2023 #231
kick for visibility! Celerity May 2023 #20
Interestingly, bringing the AWB to vote will increase sales of ARs. SYFROYH May 2023 #31
By that logic... AntivaxHunters May 2023 #40
It does. SYFROYH May 2023 #45
I think it's time for action AntivaxHunters May 2023 #78
The time inthewind21 May 2023 #88
Would have you offered the same counsel in regards to Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts during the Celerity May 2023 #43
I don't see legal sales of guns as the same category of race hate-driven violence. SYFROYH May 2023 #51
My goal is to reduce the number of guns...ban automatic weapons and get an amendment through Demsrule86 May 2023 #69
The 'there are too many battle weapons out across the fruited plain' horse has already left the barn Celerity May 2023 #70
they passed because the votes were there treestar May 2023 #120
They passed those knowing it would wipe them out. They should at least force the Rethugs to go on Celerity May 2023 #133
Get some brass balls, Dems, and just do it! ananda May 2023 #35
And Get some brass balls voters, vote out the Republicans who are blocking gun control. emulatorloo May 2023 #38
Tell me how? We do that now...what is your plan...what actions do you suggest that would actually Demsrule86 May 2023 #60
Don't mess with Gen Z. liberalmuse May 2023 #39
Right...I guess every generation has to make their own mistakes. This sort of division will merely Demsrule86 May 2023 #62
"if YOU make US lose enthusiasm" Hortensis May 2023 #41
Public sentiment is everything Walleye May 2023 #47
For some all through life. And most Gen Z are still adolescents, Hortensis May 2023 #53
Public sentiment is mostly on our side. The bullies are running things Walleye May 2023 #56
Good point. In the end, only whether and for whom WE vote matters. Hortensis May 2023 #86
Exactly, it's really quite simple when we think about it Walleye May 2023 #95
I can think of at least one thing that isn't going to change the situation: Act_of_Reparation May 2023 #188
I don't know, going out to vote seems pretty simple to me and the minimum a citizen can do Walleye May 2023 #190
Who said anything about voters being "too old"? Act_of_Reparation May 2023 #216
I meant, poorly expressed, that 18-year-old voters are not children, we shouldn't scold them Walleye May 2023 #220
David Hogg is smart enough to know you don't communicate with the Senate Leader by Tweet brooklynite May 2023 #52
He's also smart enough to know how social media works and how you persuade through it. Cuthbert Allgood May 2023 #136
IOW he DIDN'T write a letter to Schumer... brooklynite May 2023 #139
Do you want a quick lesson on primary, secondary, and tertiary audiences Cuthbert Allgood May 2023 #140
Deliberately obtuse. intheflow May 2023 #152
And you are smart enough to know how public pressure works through social media. intheflow May 2023 #156
It is not up to Schumer to tell Gen Zers that their votes mstter. Beastly Boy May 2023 #54
It is also why dems need to run candidates in every race, particularly the state races Bev54 May 2023 #59
And how many times do I hear complaints about Democratic fundraising or an annoncement that Demsrule86 May 2023 #63
I agree but I do think a lot is on the dems in charge in the states. Look at NY Bev54 May 2023 #82
Well inthewind21 May 2023 #94
I did not blame Schumer at all, perhaps you can read it again. Bev54 May 2023 #132
Republicans would do what Hogg says: bring the vote to the floor CousinIT May 2023 #71
Right! Like when they voted 10,000 times to repeal Obamacare. tritsofme May 2023 #199
I will always remember when he was hounded by MTG and he showed such grace and control. flying_wahini May 2023 #72
Agree. She is such a bully, and he stood up to her. emulatorloo May 2023 #74
Unfortunately beathimlikeadrum May 2023 #79
I really disagree AntivaxHunters May 2023 #83
You mean inthewind21 May 2023 #107
Wait, are you seriously saying that the man who is a senior at Harvard Cuthbert Allgood May 2023 #137
This message was self-deleted by its author intheflow May 2023 #158
He doesn't understand how government works? Nonsense Autumn May 2023 #235
This doesn't seem like an "attack" to me democrank May 2023 #80
Well, now, some of the responses to David Hogg's tweet are certainly eye-openers. Biophilic May 2023 #84
I do like your idea. But curious, what is the connection to Democrats and young voters in Florida emulatorloo May 2023 #90
Not much, I confess, but I've been stymied as to what happened to the Democrats in Florida. Biophilic May 2023 #98
Thanks very much for the long reply. Really appreciate it. emulatorloo May 2023 #173
Always good to have an opportunity to rethink ideas. Biophilic May 2023 #205
If the Democratic party brings the AWB up kacekwl May 2023 #87
So "establishment Democrats" don't know young people vote, don't listen, take betsuni May 2023 #89
K&R Thanks for posting. n/t TeamProg May 2023 #108
What did they do in 2016 when the Supreme Court was at stake Mr. Hogg? Mr. Hogg, in except JohnSJ May 2023 #109
Yep Texaswitchy May 2023 #204
Do they think of themselves as Democrats? Walleye May 2023 #114
I don't think they know what they are. Texaswitchy May 2023 #202
David Hogg is wise beyond his years. Cyrano May 2023 #121
One who cannot self-criticize cannot grow Sympthsical May 2023 #123
The Republicans already Know Mimi Susi May 2023 #141
I assume Hogg knows full well that with a GOP House and slim Senate majority... BlueCheeseAgain May 2023 #169
Voting over and over might only feed into the bullshit that Democrats are "ignoring" "not fighting" betsuni May 2023 #180
I feel like in online forums the word "performative" gets brought up a lot... BlueCheeseAgain May 2023 #182
I feel like for some that's what politics is JI7 May 2023 #249
Because "incrementalism" is immoral. betsuni May 2023 #255
Well said David malaise May 2023 #176
He's right... +1. n/t demmiblue May 2023 #184
I love his passion, but we currently have a two party system & our side doesn't have the majorities CrispyQ May 2023 #185
Yes Texaswitchy May 2023 #224
My family and I are those 'moderates' Calculating May 2023 #187
I don't have a problem with this at all. Any advice that anyone can think of and offer is worth it. NowsTheTime May 2023 #192
I think David Hogg is a closet Republican, noticed he attacks Democrats. Texaswitchy May 2023 #200
He is a gun massacre survivor. intheflow May 2023 #225
Post removed Post removed May 2023 #230
He's young. He knows Democrats are safe to criticize because they listen & do the best they can. ancianita May 2023 #246
I think Gen Z is more democratic that republican...& they have more to lose than old cogers like me NowsTheTime May 2023 #253
He's an Our Revolution/Justice Democrats type, thinks the Democratic Party must be taken over betsuni May 2023 #254
Aside from anything else, it's a dumb idea. tritsofme May 2023 #201
That strategy is exactly what the GOP did on banning abortion: held countless votes to ban it. Sogo May 2023 #209
I approve this message. Evolve Dammit May 2023 #214
The level of bigotry against young people in this thread is disgusting. intheflow May 2023 #232
No kidding. demmiblue May 2023 #234
DU doesn't attract young people because they are doing other things JI7 May 2023 #248
To see him called ignorant is way over the line. Autumn May 2023 #236
Yet, it's easily predicted. n/t Alpeduez21 May 2023 #241
K&R Blue Owl May 2023 #239
I remember reading something around here (can't remember the poster, sorry) about politics being ancianita May 2023 #243
So this guy thinks Schumer is a coward? BlueCheeseAgain May 2023 #244
After all this time Hogg doesn't know about the filibuster? Takket May 2023 #245
Can you please link this? Texasgal May 2023 #251
Why Schumer? Patton French May 2023 #258
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