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Pototan

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Wed May 31, 2023, 11:42 PM May 2023

Progressive Dems Playing Into Opponents' Hands [View all]

The most effective method to marginalize our Progressive allies (I consider myself a Liberal to Moderate Democrat) in the Democratic Party is the false equivalency. The Rpukes and right-wing commentators love to play that "both sides" bullshit narrative. You know, like MTG is the same as AOC. We know that's bullshit. We know AOC wants to close the wealth gap, while MTG thinks there's Jewish space lasers causing wildfires in California.

So, when we have a negotiated deal by the President, and let's get something straight, President Biden is all that stands between any sense of normalcy and a totalitarian American government, Progressive Democrats should have expressed their displeasure with negotiating a deal by being held hostage, but praise Biden for averting a crisis and voted "yes".

By voting "no" and being on the same side as the MAGA cultists in this very important deal, plays into that "both sides", and gives credibility to the false equivalency narrative we all have to knock down between now and the next election.

I've been involved in politics all of my adult life and rule number one and two are (1). "don't give ammunition to your enemy" and (2). "if you're explaining, you're losing".

We (Democrats) are all on the same team and, like it or not (I like it), Joe Biden is our captain, and we need to win.

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Liberal to moderate means moderate at best NoRethugFriends May 2023 #1
Not true Pototan May 2023 #2
Are you suggesting that your politics haven't changed from that time to now? NotVeryImportant Jun 2023 #74
I don't think so... Pototan Jun 2023 #76
No it does NOT. Cha Jun 2023 #3
Thanks Pototan Jun 2023 #5
Good on you, Pototan! Cha Jun 2023 #12
It's 2:30 PM Thursday here Pototan Jun 2023 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Pototan Jun 2023 #18
No, it does not. Ocelot II Jun 2023 #4
thanks, read post number 5 Pototan Jun 2023 #6
Moderate will win treestar Jun 2023 #29
Right...and you know every single person in the world I suppose. How about this some of us Demsrule86 Jun 2023 #68
We need to win. And if we win, it doesn't matter if a few dems vote against it. fishwax Jun 2023 #7
The point is... Pototan Jun 2023 #8
My point is: you're the one pushing the narrative fishwax Jun 2023 #9
I'm trying to teach you how to win moderate voters Pototan Jun 2023 #13
and while I appreciate your desire to instruct, I think your curriculum is quite thoroughly flawed fishwax Jun 2023 #26
Every national narrative about this issue is... Pototan Jun 2023 #41
I am very skeptical of the original post(er) (nt) NoRethugFriends Jun 2023 #25
You're skeptical of me... Pototan Jun 2023 #42
James carville and Mary Matalin NoRethugFriends Jun 2023 #46
I never mentioned Mary Matalin. Pototan Jun 2023 #48
I never said you did. I did. NoRethugFriends Jun 2023 #51
They do feed the Dems in disarray narrative treestar Jun 2023 #30
I don't see a dems in disarray narrative, outside of hand-wringing on DU, where for some reason fishwax Jun 2023 #35
the media's not on that one? treestar Jun 2023 #36
Say what? edisdead Jun 2023 #50
Agreed. I see a very different narrative. Caliman73 Jun 2023 #60
It's fine. It's all part of the Kabuki Theater and actually helps Biden. SunSeeker Jun 2023 #10
There was definitely some Kabuki theatre going on, as LOD described. Ocelot II Jun 2023 #11
Yep grantcart Jun 2023 #20
Alternatively, consider that each Congressperson represents a district and not all districts are equal EarlG Jun 2023 #14
There's a national narrative... Pototan Jun 2023 #16
which of the dems who voted against it are vulnerable in swing districts? fishwax Jun 2023 #27
You really don't get my point Pototan Jun 2023 #31
I get your point, but I think it's way off base fishwax Jun 2023 #33
Well said, EarlG. crickets Jun 2023 #56
But in terms of actual accomplishments in Congress SouthBayDem Jun 2023 #15
Too many forget that the perfect is the enemy of the good. GoneOffShore Jun 2023 #19
Anyone that espouses the 'big tent' concept has no room to complain about dissent. pecosbob Jun 2023 #21
I don't mind dissent... Pototan Jun 2023 #23
This is a false equivalency. crickets Jun 2023 #59
Some of the no votes are practical and don't play into any GoodRaisin Jun 2023 #22
When you're explaining, you're losing Pototan Jun 2023 #24
Just An Aside ProfessorGAC Jun 2023 #37
I'm sure I could, but Pototan Jun 2023 #38
Sure! ProfessorGAC Jun 2023 #39
Come 2024 few will be making this false equivalency on the "debt ceiling" vote. GoodRaisin Jun 2023 #40
I would think it difficult to inspire from the middle. Prairie_Seagull Jun 2023 #28
Good luck with that... Pototan Jun 2023 #32
Pototan, let me say right up front that I give that you are who you say you are. Prairie_Seagull Jun 2023 #72
Well, let me explain my reasoning Pototan Jun 2023 #73
I'm a radical liberal leftie, but also a pragmatist. ananda Jun 2023 #34
Totally agree. honest.abe Jun 2023 #43
It's okay. Things will get better. Autumn Jun 2023 #44
This was discussed at length in another thread. yardwork Jun 2023 #45
Seems as though they played it differently in the Senate. Pototan Jun 2023 #47
about 90% of senate dems as opposed to about 80% of house dems -- not that different fishwax Jun 2023 #53
de rec Celerity Jun 2023 #49
No they aren't Autumn Jun 2023 #52
The narrative is what we're talking about,,, Pototan Jun 2023 #54
The narrative is wrong. It wasn't opposed from the hard left. There is no fucking hard left. Autumn Jun 2023 #55
So what is the appropriate term for those who are much more left than the majority of Democrats? honest.abe Jun 2023 #58
Progressives. There is no hard left. Republicans just think there is. Autumn Jun 2023 #63
I consider myself progressive. Are we the same?? honest.abe Jun 2023 #64
What I have seen of your posts I see you as a moderate Democrat. Autumn Jun 2023 #67
Except when I take those politcal profile tests I always come out very liberal. honest.abe Jun 2023 #69
I think those tests are stupid. There has to be compromise and I'm good with compromise,. Autumn Jun 2023 #70
The Democratic Party is known for its diversity of opinion. Caliman73 Jun 2023 #57
. crickets Jun 2023 #61
I think the issue is how others who are not as connected to politics might view a no vote here. honest.abe Jun 2023 #62
I guarantee, those people don't know or care. Caliman73 Jun 2023 #65
They are potential voters so it matters. honest.abe Jun 2023 #66
The apathetic D voter who thinks both sides are basically the same sees the bills Autumn Jun 2023 #71
I vehemently disagree w/this sentiment. NotVeryImportant Jun 2023 #75
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