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Celerity

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70. Here in Stockholm, almost all panhandlers we encounter are part of criminal Roma gangs.
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 11:42 PM
Aug 2023

Their handlers (almost always men) make the women sit out year-round, even in the dead of winter. and beg for cash or e-payments (Swish, etc), then take all the money at the end of their 'shift'.

We have offered to buy them some food real time, and they always (dozens and dozens of times now) refuse.

We have personally stopped the male handlers from physically hurting them before.

Our first year here in Sweden, in 2018, at the bottom of the rulltrappa (escalator) in one of the Östermalmstorg tunnelbana's entrances, the one on Grev Turegatan (we were living in the Stureplan area of central Stockholm at that time as we waited for our Södermalm townhouse we bought to close)......

here is the entrance as it looked then (the entire area is in the process of being vastly upgraded):


..........we physically got involved with a little fucking bellend (a Roma as well of course) who was punching one of the panhandler Roma women in the face (another women nearby who spoke English said he was screaming at the victim about stealing some of the money she made).

My wife ended up sweep-kicking him off his feet after he pulled a knife and we both kicked him in the face and torso (wifey also got in a kick to his jacobs, lol) multiple times after I stamped the knife out of of his hand and kicked it away whilst he was on the ground (we both have some martial arts training, and my wife also has military training). He fucked with the wrong bishes, lol.

The coppers arrested him nearly instantly as someone else had called them over (we did not know that at the time). We testified against him in court as well. He was convicted, received a year and half or so in jail, and then was deported back to Romania (where the vast majority come from, due to the EU freedom of movement that kicked in for Romania and Bulgaria on January 1, 2014), plus he was banned for life from Sweden.

That was our only real (not counting pushing away away blokes on the lash who play grab-arse with us in clubs, grrrrr) physical altercation we have been in here the entire time, thank fuck.

It was not nice AT ALL, and the Roma woman we tried to help spit on my wife, said (the other women mentioned above translated this as well) we were interfering in personal business and that we had fucked her over, that she would be beaten by the other men now.

We no longer (obviously!) get involved with the Roma criminal gang beggars at all. It's a lose-lose situation.

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Do you give to panhandlers? [View all] Oopsie Daisy Aug 2023 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2023 #1
I do on occasion. It is becoming increasingly harder for people to survive out there. CentralMass Aug 2023 #2
In Australia, two American guys had a sign saying they spent all their money jimfields33 Aug 2023 #25
We did a similar thing in Las Vegas - Ms. Toad Aug 2023 #45
creativity counts NJCher Aug 2023 #64
Here in Stockholm, almost all panhandlers we encounter are part of criminal Roma gangs. Celerity Aug 2023 #70
Interesting... róisín_dubh Aug 2023 #74
The Romanian (and Bulgarian, etc etc) government and society treats the Roma like shite, thus many Celerity Aug 2023 #76
I don't pull out my wallet on the street. Demobrat Aug 2023 #3
I rarely have cash MissB Aug 2023 #4
Sometimes. But I am very wary--especially if they approach me. Women with kids I will give to... hlthe2b Aug 2023 #5
Most of them I see in my area are standing at the exit from a freeway to a major city street MichMan Aug 2023 #6
Addiction and mental issues probably keep them from being responsible workers. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2023 #11
Her child was left in the car, and she walked away and went inside? Croney Aug 2023 #7
I know. I thought about that later. Oopsie Daisy Aug 2023 #9
we tend to give to buskers Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #8
Have you seen any fake violinists? Effete Snob Aug 2023 #12
yes. we don't tive them to fakes or your nee who don't know how to play Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #26
Haha! The first time I heard that bdjhawk Aug 2023 #72
I will help women and some old men AKwannabe Aug 2023 #10
My husband had a similar experience. She asked for money... Oopsie Daisy Aug 2023 #14
It depends. Jirel Aug 2023 #13
Yes. maxsolomon Aug 2023 #15
I will if a pet is involved. My guess the pet is Polly Hennessey Aug 2023 #16
More often than not. nt hay rick Aug 2023 #17
Not anymore MistakenLamb Aug 2023 #18
Old white guy here . Permanut Aug 2023 #19
I used to, and I still do sometimes. BigDemVoter Aug 2023 #20
I was at Salvation Army one time, in line waiting to get a tax receipt for donations. LuckyCharms Aug 2023 #21
That was kind of you! I almost always do. 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2023 #22
If they are outside a grocery store I may offer to buy them some BigmanPigman Aug 2023 #23
for safety reasons, no. I don't like to be approached in that way ecstatic Aug 2023 #24
I do. Captain Stern Aug 2023 #27
Generally I dont thatdemguy Aug 2023 #28
I keep a baggie with loose one dollar bills in my car console, so they're easy to access. And yes, chia Aug 2023 #29
I have the same philosophy as you describe. marked50 Aug 2023 #40
There you go. Glad to be in agreement with you! chia Aug 2023 #69
I commute through a heavily panhandled area daily... EarthFirst Aug 2023 #30
I felt compelled to give to street preachers Kaleva Aug 2023 #31
I used to keep dollars in my car for a woman I saw every morning nini Aug 2023 #32
Once to get him away from my truck while I made a delivery. Emile Aug 2023 #33
I feel obliged to give money to panhandlers. TomSlick Aug 2023 #34
Yup! Johnny2X2X Aug 2023 #35
Ram Das wrote of his cultural-karmic shock of panhandlers/ beggers in India ... sanatanadharma Aug 2023 #36
One winter season there were an assortment of families who hung out outside Trader Joe's ... Hekate Aug 2023 #37
If I have cash, I almost always do Victor_c3 Aug 2023 #38
Yeah, I usually give them something. I try not to over analyze it too much. dameatball Aug 2023 #39
I don't give them money but like you, I have gotten food at a fast food place and given them that. appleannie1 Aug 2023 #41
Sometimes yes. cilla4progress Aug 2023 #42
I used to, frequently tom_kelly Aug 2023 #43
Always. I am compelled to give ... Joinfortmill Aug 2023 #44
You did the best thing - buying her something to eat SouthernDem4ever Aug 2023 #46
I only give money to elderly people kimbutgar Aug 2023 #47
That is heartbreaking. Perhaps you will see her (them) again. So common today. We are not addressing Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #48
I do what you did. Food but not money. Wonder Why Aug 2023 #49
I wrestle with it - and try to find other ways to provide support. Ms. Toad Aug 2023 #50
I do sometimes. ShazzieB Aug 2023 #51
I always pay cash for stories, true or not. hunter Aug 2023 #52
I never give cash. I keep bags of food in my car and give those away. efhmc Aug 2023 #53
Food don't buy shoes. Iggo Aug 2023 #59
I do. I've also brought one guy into a mini market and bought him what he wanted to eat. C Moon Aug 2023 #54
Yes, unless they are threatening. Midnight Writer Aug 2023 #55
When I can, sure. madamesilverspurs Aug 2023 #56
When I meet someone begging for money, I alway think, I do not want my money going for alcohol spike jones Aug 2023 #57
Always. (n/t) Iggo Aug 2023 #58
Only occasionally... AdamGG Aug 2023 #60
Yes, in the city. More than that I've helped Quakerfriend Aug 2023 #61
Yes, sometimes. Dyedinthewoolliberal Aug 2023 #62
Hell yeah! nt Kahuna Aug 2023 #63
McDonalds gift cards V850i Aug 2023 #65
yes I do. barbtries Aug 2023 #66
It depends. Richard58 Aug 2023 #67
Unfortunately, this scene is all to common in America and it shouldn't be. William769 Aug 2023 #68
I have done so many times, DemocraticPatriot Aug 2023 #71
Mostly no but KentuckyWoman Aug 2023 #73
It depends... róisín_dubh Aug 2023 #75
Driving a truck, you DiverDave Aug 2023 #77
Rarely DFW Aug 2023 #78
yes, if I have small bills with me. BlueWaveNeverEnd Aug 2023 #79
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