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In reply to the discussion: Do you give to panhandlers? [View all]Celerity
(49,530 posts)70. Here in Stockholm, almost all panhandlers we encounter are part of criminal Roma gangs.
Their handlers (almost always men) make the women sit out year-round, even in the dead of winter. and beg for cash or e-payments (Swish, etc), then take all the money at the end of their 'shift'.
We have offered to buy them some food real time, and they always (dozens and dozens of times now) refuse.
We have personally stopped the male handlers from physically hurting them before.
Our first year here in Sweden, in 2018, at the bottom of the rulltrappa (escalator) in one of the Östermalmstorg tunnelbana's entrances, the one on Grev Turegatan (we were living in the Stureplan area of central Stockholm at that time as we waited for our Södermalm townhouse we bought to close)......
here is the entrance as it looked then (the entire area is in the process of being vastly upgraded):


..........we physically got involved with a little fucking bellend (a Roma as well of course) who was punching one of the panhandler Roma women in the face (another women nearby who spoke English said he was screaming at the victim about stealing some of the money she made).
My wife ended up sweep-kicking him off his feet after he pulled a knife and we both kicked him in the face and torso (wifey also got in a kick to his jacobs, lol) multiple times after I stamped the knife out of of his hand and kicked it away whilst he was on the ground (we both have some martial arts training, and my wife also has military training). He fucked with the wrong bishes, lol.
The coppers arrested him nearly instantly as someone else had called them over (we did not know that at the time). We testified against him in court as well. He was convicted, received a year and half or so in jail, and then was deported back to Romania (where the vast majority come from, due to the EU freedom of movement that kicked in for Romania and Bulgaria on January 1, 2014), plus he was banned for life from Sweden.
That was our only real (not counting pushing away away blokes on the lash who play grab-arse with us in clubs, grrrrr) physical altercation we have been in here the entire time, thank fuck.
It was not nice AT ALL, and the Roma woman we tried to help spit on my wife, said (the other women mentioned above translated this as well) we were interfering in personal business and that we had fucked her over, that she would be beaten by the other men now.
We no longer (obviously!) get involved with the Roma criminal gang beggars at all. It's a lose-lose situation.

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I do on occasion. It is becoming increasingly harder for people to survive out there.
CentralMass
Aug 2023
#2
In Australia, two American guys had a sign saying they spent all their money
jimfields33
Aug 2023
#25
Here in Stockholm, almost all panhandlers we encounter are part of criminal Roma gangs.
Celerity
Aug 2023
#70
The Romanian (and Bulgarian, etc etc) government and society treats the Roma like shite, thus many
Celerity
Aug 2023
#76
Sometimes. But I am very wary--especially if they approach me. Women with kids I will give to...
hlthe2b
Aug 2023
#5
Most of them I see in my area are standing at the exit from a freeway to a major city street
MichMan
Aug 2023
#6
Addiction and mental issues probably keep them from being responsible workers.
Oopsie Daisy
Aug 2023
#11
I was at Salvation Army one time, in line waiting to get a tax receipt for donations.
LuckyCharms
Aug 2023
#21
I keep a baggie with loose one dollar bills in my car console, so they're easy to access. And yes,
chia
Aug 2023
#29
Ram Das wrote of his cultural-karmic shock of panhandlers/ beggers in India ...
sanatanadharma
Aug 2023
#36
One winter season there were an assortment of families who hung out outside Trader Joe's ...
Hekate
Aug 2023
#37
I don't give them money but like you, I have gotten food at a fast food place and given them that.
appleannie1
Aug 2023
#41
That is heartbreaking. Perhaps you will see her (them) again. So common today. We are not addressing
Evolve Dammit
Aug 2023
#48
I do. I've also brought one guy into a mini market and bought him what he wanted to eat.
C Moon
Aug 2023
#54
When I meet someone begging for money, I alway think, I do not want my money going for alcohol
spike jones
Aug 2023
#57