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43. I don't watch CGI. I don't even watch cartoons.
Mon Nov 13, 2023, 07:33 PM
Nov 2023

I made one exception for The Matrix, because it's a parable.

Enough of this shit and we are just

Here's some reading material on how the coalescence of technology into a handful of superpowers is destroying the "nice" world we want. Feel free to re-post. Sociopathy starts at the top and works its way down to first-level managers. I worked for at least three who were sadists, looking for a promotion to chief sadist (one was the CEO. It was a tiny startup)

Is capitalism dead? Yanis Varoufakis thinks it is – and he knows who killed it

In 1993, when he first got the internet, Varoufakis’s father posed a “killer question” to his son: “now computers speak to each other, will this network make capitalism impossible to overthrow? Or might it finally reveal its Achilles heel?”

Varoufakis has been mulling it over ever since.

Though, sadly, it is now too late to explain to his father in person, Varoufakis’s new book Technofeudalism: What Killed Capitalism answers the question in the form of an extended reflection addressed to his father.

“Achilles heel” was on the right track. In his striking response, Varoufakis argues that we no longer live in a capitalist society; capitalism has morphed into a “technologically advanced form of feudalism”.

The Super-Scary Theory of the 21st Century (repost)
The haunting specter of techno-authoritarianism has only gotten more haunting

This, then, is the Scary Theory of the 21st Century: Perhaps the internet is not a tool of freedom so much as evolutionary pressure that selects for authoritarianism. Perhaps social media has changed the nature of great-power competition into an endurance match in which control of the internet is key. Perhaps every country that doesn’t implement its own version of the Great Firewall and the 50 Cent Party will eventually fall victim to waves of Twitter-generated unrest.

Now add A.I.
OK but it gets scarier. Social media control is about using traditional methods — government propagandists and legal control of the information ecosystem — to limit the effects of a new technology. But there’s another new technology that might allow authoritarian regimes to exert a level of control that 20th century totalitarians could only dream of. That technology is machine learning — or as we commonly call it, A.I.

China is a global leader in A.I. technology, behind only the U.S. But unlike the U.S., China has enthusiastically bent this new technology toward creating a deep and robust system of government surveillance and social control. Here, via the Atlantic, is a lengthy description of how the Chinese government has deployed an early version of this system (combined with substantial elements of old-school human surveillance and policing) to repress the Uighurs in Xinjiang. Some choice excerpts:

AI-powered sensors lurk everywhere, including in Uighurs’ purses and pants pockets. According to the anthropologist Darren Byler, some Uighurs buried their mobile phones containing Islamic materials, or even froze their data cards into dumplings for safekeeping, when Xi’s campaign of cultural erasure reached full tilt. But police have since forced them to install nanny apps on their new phones. The apps use algorithms to hunt for “ideological viruses” day and night. They can scan chat logs for Quran verses, and look for Arabic script in memes and other image files??Purchasing prayer rugs online, storing digital copies of Muslim books, and downloading sermons from a favorite imam are all risky activities. If a Uighur were to use WeChat’s payment system to make a donation to a mosque, authorities might take note…. MORE

AI could cause ‘catastrophic’ financial crisis, says Yuval Noah Harari

Harari said one issue with safety testing of models was foreseeing all problems that a powerful system could cause. “AI is different from every previous technology in human history because it’s the first technology that can make decisions by itself, that can create new ideas by itself and that can learn and develop by itself. Almost by definition, it’s extremely difficult for humans, even the humans who created the technology, to foresee all the potential dangers and problems.”

“What happens if AI is not only given greater control over the financial system of the world, but it starts creating new financial devices that only AI can understand, that no human being can understand?” said Harari, adding that the 2007-08 financial crisis was caused by debt instruments such as collateralised debt obligations (CDOs) that few people understood and were thus inadequately regulated.

“AI has the potential to create financial devices which are orders of magnitude more complex than CDOs. And just imagine the situation where we have a financial system that no human being is able to understand and therefore also not able to regulate,” he said. “And then there is a financial crisis and nobody understands what is happening.”

We're sorry we created the Torment Nexus
By Charlie Stross. (Science fiction writer)

And rather than giving the usual cheerleader talk making predictions about technology and society, I'd like to explain why I—and other SF authors—are terrible guides to the future. Which wouldn't matter, except a whole bunch of billionaires are in the headlines right now because they pay too much attention to people like me. Because we invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale and they took it at face value and decided to implement it for real.


Anyway, for what my opinion is worth: I think this is bullshit. There are very rich people trying to manipulate investment markets into giving them even more money, using shadow puppets they dreamed up on the basis of half-remembered fictions they read in their teens. They are inadvertently driving state-level policy making on subjects like privacy protection, data mining, face recognition, and generative language models, on the basis of assumptions about how society should be organized that are frankly misguided and crankish, because there's no crank like a writer idly dreaming up fun thought experiments in fictional form. They're building space programs—one of them is up front about wanting to colonize Mars, and he was briefly the world's richest man, so we ought to take him as seriously as he deserves—and throwing medical resources at their own personal immortality rather than, say, a wide-spectrum sterilizing vaccine against COVID19. Meanwhile our public infrastructure is rotting, national assets are being sold off and looted by private equity companies, their social networks are spreading hatred and lies in order to farm advertising clicks, and other billionaires are using those networks to either buy political clout or suck up ever more money from the savings of the poor.

Did you ever wonder why the 21st century feels like we're living in a bad cyberpunk novel from the 1980s?

It's because these guys read those cyberpunk novels and mistook a dystopia for a road map. They're rich enough to bend reality to reflect their desires. But we're not futurists, we're entertainers! We like to spin yarns about the Torment Nexus because it's a cool setting for a noir detective story, not because we think Mark Zuckerberg or Andreesen Horowitz should actually pump several billion dollars into creating it. And that's why I think you should always be wary of SF writers bearing ideas.

Because we let loose technology with high danger potential and it's in the hands of completely warped sick, sick minds. All true James Bond Villains, except that they are real.

America’s Most Dangerous Anti-Jewish Propagandist
Making sense of anti-Semitism today requires examining Henry Ford’s outsize part in its origins.
Ford remarked, “I still think this (WWII) is a phony war made by the international Jewish bankers.”

In late 1922, The New York Times reported the “rumor” passing through Berlin that Henry Ford was bankrolling Adolf Hitler and his curiously well-funded Nazi movement. The wall of Hitler’s office featured a large picture of the American mogul, the Times noted, and copies of a book bearing Ford’s byline littered a table in the anteroom. Titled The International Jew: The World’s Foremost Problem, the volume was an anthology of articles published by Ford’s Dearborn Independent newspaper, which two years earlier had launched an unrelenting crusade to expose Jews’ supposed “financial and commercial control, usurpation of political power, monopoly of necessities, and autocratic direction of the very news that the American people read.” The series, which eventually spanned 92 issues over seven years, concluded that the “International Jew and his satellites” lurked behind virtually all of the world’s ills: labor unrest, Bolshevism, financial panics, wars.

Hitler denied receiving funding from Ford but made no secret that he considered him an inspiration. “We look on Heinrich Ford as the leader of the growing Fascisti movement in America,” Hitler said in 1923. “We admire particularly his anti-Jewish policy which is the Bavarian Fascisti platform.” At the time, Ford was being floated as a possible Democratic candidate for president, and Hitler said that he wished he could deploy “some of my shock troops to Chicago and other big American cities to help in the elections.”

Ford’s anti-Jewish beliefs are well known. Not well understood is his singular role in unleashing a new era of anti-Semitism, a modern strain of an ancient poison built upon the themes of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. You can glimpse Ford’s influence in the casual anti-Semitism of Donald Trump, who has deployed barely coded references to “globalists” and to “international banks” plotting secretly with one of his Democratic rivals to weaken the U.S. for their own enrichment; in Elon Musk’s signal-boosting of anti-Semites and his suggestion that George Soros “appears to want nothing less than the destruction of western civilization”; and in a surge in anti-Jewish harassment and hate crimes around the world, including the 2018 massacre at Pittsburgh’s Tree of Life synagogue.


Ford did eventually reckon with the lethal hatred he had helped whip up, according to Josephine Gomon, who oversaw female personnel at a Ford plant. She was among a group of executives who joined Ford in May 1946 for a screening of Death Stations, a government-produced film documenting the liberation of Hitler’s concentration camps. For an hour, horrifying images flashed across the screen: a crematorium at the Majdanek camp, torture chambers, a warehouse filled with the confiscated belongings of murdered Jews. When the film ended and the lights rose, Ford’s colleagues found him clinging to consciousness. He had had a major stroke. Ford died the following year at the age of 83.

Elon Musk almost needed SFPD wellness check after ‘breakdown,’ getting booed at Dave Chappelle show (in December 2022)
‘He got to a point where he locked himself in his office, was so upset’ that Twitter employees feared he would hurt himself, the author of a new book says about the billionaire

Chappelle brought the Tesla and SpaceX mogul onstage as his surprise guest at the end of a set at San Francisco’s Chase Center. The crowd initially erupted into a mixture of cheers and boos at the sight of Twitter’s polarizing new CEO. But as the shock of Musk’s appearance wore off, the boos began to win out and grew increasingly angry, according to footage of the set and some people in the audience.

The footage showed the booing getting louder as Musk wandered around onstage with a microphone in hand. Musk tried to wave and paced some more, evidently unsure about how to respond. Chappelle tried to salvage the moment by cracking some jokes: “It sounds like some of the people you fired are in the audience.”

People on social media estimated that the vast majority of people in the 18,000-capacity stadium booed during Musk’s appearance, according to a report.

Mezrich said on CNBC that Musk was “shocked” by the audience’s reaction, noting, “This never happened to Elon before, and this spiral started.”

I would get my computer to watch it and write me a summary using AI. NCIndie Nov 2023 #1
But would you pay for your computer to watch it? The studios and streamers want to make money using AI highplainsdem Nov 2023 #2
I won't pay for a theater ticket for my computer. But ... NCIndie Nov 2023 #5
Okay. I might do the same. Well, if I ever decide to let AI on my computer and let it highplainsdem Nov 2023 #8
All my replies to this thread were AI generated. NCIndie Nov 2023 #12
IF that's true, why would you let a bot write for you? It would be more highplainsdem Nov 2023 #36
sigh. NCIndie Nov 2023 #38
Good. I never know these days. Just had a friend elsewhere ask me about highplainsdem Nov 2023 #40
Won't pay for Anime Attilatheblond Nov 2023 #3
Agree completely about CGI critters being okay, since those won't put real actors out of work. highplainsdem Nov 2023 #9
Batman vs James Bond Cartoonist Nov 2023 #4
If it told a good story n/t leftstreet Nov 2023 #6
Yea, I would pay with AI genrated dollars. Chainfire Nov 2023 #7
Came to post this. Thanks! Probatim Nov 2023 #34
Will they cost less than movies with real actors? redqueen Nov 2023 #10
Yes, my guess is entertainment media will race towards zero Amishman Nov 2023 #13
I have no idea. The current SAG-AFTRA agreement, which I've posted about in both LBN and here in GD, highplainsdem Nov 2023 #14
Other - probably not. But who knows what very unique exception might arise. electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #11
The use of AI replicas of deceased actors concerns me, too. Don't know if you saw this highplainsdem Nov 2023 #16
Ty I just read the articles/posts... electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #25
Absolutely not. There are decades worth EllieBC Nov 2023 #15
+1,000,000 highplainsdem Nov 2023 #37
If it's entertaining to watch and telling a good story, I don't see why not. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #17
Have never been a fan of video games. Or puppet shows, which AI-generated films with AI replicas of actors highplainsdem Nov 2023 #24
Well, I suspect this is where the industry is going. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #27
Did you pay to see the latest Indiana Jones film? tinrobot Nov 2023 #18
Haven't seen it yet. But my understanding is that Harrison Ford was really doing the acting there, and then a team highplainsdem Nov 2023 #19
Yes, the studios want rights to the likeness of a celebrity tinrobot Nov 2023 #35
The bottom line issue as far as this poll is concerned is whether audiences highplainsdem Nov 2023 #39
Since many already have paid for "puppet" movies, the answer seems obvious. tinrobot Nov 2023 #44
If its a good film, sure, why not? SYFROYH Nov 2023 #20
Because it would be an AI-replica puppet show, and not a film with real acting. highplainsdem Nov 2023 #22
Who doesn't like a good puppet show? SYFROYH Nov 2023 #46
Avatar is mostly AI generated FakeNoose Nov 2023 #21
That's basically CGI, and there were real actors doing the acting, wearing headgear to catch facial movements. highplainsdem Nov 2023 #23
Btw do you think all producers are that greedy? i mean there are actors who are producers, too. electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #26
Will it be a comedy, western or porn? Emile Nov 2023 #28
I have used AI - It's not the same. qwlauren35 Nov 2023 #29
The idea of a new movie starring Humphrey Bogart, Marilyn Monroe and Cary Grant would be interesting Clash City Rocker Nov 2023 #30
No matter how realistic it looks, though, it will still be essentially a puppet show, with those legendary actors turned highplainsdem Nov 2023 #33
If the actors were ok with it? Maybe. Elessar Zappa Nov 2023 #31
Absolutely not. NewHendoLib Nov 2023 #32
Curmudgeons of the world, unite! highplainsdem Nov 2023 #41
If the people that provided the images are compensating then yes JanMichael Nov 2023 #42
I don't watch CGI. I don't even watch cartoons. usonian Nov 2023 #43
Yes, if we can get more Stan Lee cameos in Marvel flicks. Liberal In Texas Nov 2023 #45
Yes, if I can pay with NFTs.. Permanut Nov 2023 #47
An entire film? No. But... GoCubsGo Nov 2023 #48
It might be interesting. But I'd only buy the tickets with AI-generated dollars Bucky Nov 2023 #49
No Arthur_Frain Nov 2023 #50
every now and then I watch a comedy film, but I am basically a nerd peacebuzzard Nov 2023 #51
Entirely AI? Probably not. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2023 #52
Replica of a real actor? NO. WarGamer Nov 2023 #53
I don't think a generation raised on video games is going to care Sympthsical Nov 2023 #54
No.nt jfz9580m Feb 18 #55
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