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Behind the Aegis

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32. Your comment reeks of delegitimization.
Tue Nov 28, 2023, 12:39 AM
Nov 2023

This is a common method of attack against Jews and other minorities. Deny bigotry against a group as "not real" or "not significant" and gaslight those victimized by it, making it, the minority, responsible for the bigotry enacted against it. We see this on the right with their screeches of "playing the race card" and "oh, poor pitiful me, why can't I call Obama a chimp, they called Bush the Lesser a chimp?! Isn't that the real racism?!" Even here, I have had to fight off ignorant bigots who claim homophobia isn't real because people aren't "really" scared of gay people, therefore, no "phobia". Sound familiar? It should because it is along the same vein of those trying to redefine anti-Semitism as "bigotry against Semites" when that is clearly not the definition of anti-Semitism.

Is anti-Semitism sometimes misused? Yup, just like every other "-ism" and "-phobia". But, it doesn't mean it isn't real. Furthermore, when I see accusations of racism and sexism, transphobia, and sometimes homophobia, I see liberals step back and ponder "hmm, maybe I should let the affected group lead the way and reexamine my attitude/speech", but when Jews say something is anti-Semitic, gentiles leap into action and BLAME the Jews and our supporters, claiming they are the real victim, not the Jews. There is no call for introspection, just accusations of falsely claiming anti-Semitism, y'know, "playing the Jew card"!

I admit I am still confused... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #1
I'll take a swing at it FBaggins Nov 2023 #9
Thanks,.... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #14
I think the answer to your question is best illustrated in the events of last year, Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #33
now THAT makes sense! Think. Again. Nov 2023 #34
I salute you, Think Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #47
Just because some people misuse the term doesn't mean it's lost all meaning. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #2
Fundamentalist evangelical liberalhistorian Nov 2023 #26
"Antisemitism" losing meaning sounds like something antisemites would push. LexVegas Nov 2023 #3
No shit. Cha Nov 2023 #6
A step above the right wing's "Oh, they are just playing the 'Race Card'" nonsense. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #19
I co-sign this post JustAnotherGen Nov 2023 #24
Well said JohnSJ Nov 2023 #27
The Guardian is not . . . great, unfortunately. Sympthsical Nov 2023 #4
Thank you for sharing that. lapucelle Nov 2023 #29
Thank you. betsuni Nov 2023 #36
I love the Guardian. I think it is the best of the major Anglosphere newspapers. nt Celerity Nov 2023 #38
You agree with their politics Sympthsical Nov 2023 #40
I am a progressive social democrat, I do not know what you mean by 'leftist', as that seems too broad a brush. Celerity Nov 2023 #41
I'm not interested in hashing out Gaza to death Sympthsical Nov 2023 #42
agree to disagree Celerity Nov 2023 #46
The Guardian is not a leftist newspaper, it is literally considered Progressive media ie Center-Left obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #44
It quacks Sympthsical Nov 2023 #45
I do, too obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #43
No. It's hasn't " come to be maninless ".. That's Cha Nov 2023 #5
The Arabs are a semitic group, too cyclonefence Nov 2023 #7
You don't get to redefine words. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #8
Neither do you inthewind21 Nov 2023 #10
Hostility towards and discrimination against Jewish people....Oxford English Dictionary. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #12
TY Cha Nov 2023 #16
I cannot believe the shit I see here sometimes. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #18
I know.. Cha Nov 2023 #22
Isn't the word being discussed "anti-Semite"? lapucelle Nov 2023 #28
We all know what anti-Semitism means, this is gaslighting. tritsofme Nov 2023 #11
Yes Cha Nov 2023 #17
But not included in "antisemitism" FBaggins Nov 2023 #13
I'm sick of the gaslighting. madaboutharry Nov 2023 #15
I feel the same about edhopper Nov 2023 #20
So do non BIPOC get to tell BIPOC EllieBC Nov 2023 #21
Rec TY Cha Nov 2023 #23
Well put. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #25
+1 betsuni Nov 2023 #37
"Jews Don't Count" Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #39
Opinion pieces are like assholes, every online newspaper has one. emulatorloo Nov 2023 #30
I've always enjoyed The Guardian. In fact, Abolishinist Nov 2023 #31
Your comment reeks of delegitimization. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #32
In the Original Post, I see that my poor choice of words has indeed indeed given an erroneous impression of my.... MMBeilis Nov 2023 #35
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