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ecstatic

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Mon Dec 11, 2023, 11:38 PM Dec 2023

Why the "hamas could end this at any time" excuse doesn't work [View all]

Imagine if a soldier pointed a gun to your head and said, "Someone in your town, named Charlie, killed our brother. If Charlie doesn't surrender, I'm going to kill you, and it will be Charlie's fault!"

The soldier starts walking up and down your neighborhood, shooting everyone in the head, each time blaming Charlie.

"Charlie killed you! Not me."

In other words, whether you live or die is dependent upon what a criminal named Charlie does.

Does that sound fair or logical to you?

The bombs that are flattening Gaza are coming from Israel. Nobody else. The 18,000 mostly women, babies, children and doctors who have been killed, were killed by Israel.

And as far as the hamas terrorists? They were all allowed to escape after 10/7/23, when Israel's military waited up to 26 hours before responding to the attack. They're probably not even in Gaza anymore, thanks to bibi's massive failure of a response to an attack that he had over a year to prepare for. He failed miserably and is now bombing innocent people as a cruel deflection and distraction.

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Ex-U.S. Ambassador To Israel Says Netanyahu Should Step Down Amid War In Gaza Alent2 Dec 2023 #1
Nice try. This is some pretty world class victim blaming here. CincyDem Dec 2023 #2
The perpetrators got away ecstatic Dec 2023 #5
Perps got away...you know this how? Oh yeah, the lead guy hid in a humanitarian vehicle heading out to Egypt...lol CincyDem Dec 2023 #8
And your solution is what? To continue bombing? ecstatic Dec 2023 #13
My solution is simple. Send the hostages and the bodies home. CincyDem Dec 2023 #15
No one has feared new elections more than "president" Abbas, serving in year 18 of his 4 year term tritsofme Dec 2023 #11
Many perps didn't get away Dirty Socialist Dec 2023 #12
Hundreds if not thousands of Hamas fighters have been arrested Mosby Dec 2023 #24
Uh, what? nt LexVegas Dec 2023 #3
It's not an excuse DavidDvorkin Dec 2023 #4
Not even a functional over simplification. TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #6
huh ? JI7 Dec 2023 #7
I absolutely agree with you problem is.. I also agree with prodigitalson Dec 2023 #9
Real estate enid602 Dec 2023 #10
You obviously do not understand the conflict. It is not about real estate at all to Israel elias7 Dec 2023 #16
Occupation, oil enid602 Dec 2023 #25
Shhhhhhhhhhh, malaise Dec 2023 #14
Nothing justifies the attack in the first place. elias7 Dec 2023 #17
It is tough when you agree with the aims but aren't quite up for saying so TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #19
"It is tough when you agree with the aims but aren't quite up for saying so" -- what are you accusing Malaise of here? obamanut2012 Dec 2023 #23
"You're really OK with women being raped in front of their families, babies being beheaded, people living in kibbutz" obamanut2012 Dec 2023 #22
The argument was that nothing justifies this response Calculating Dec 2023 #29
DURec leftstreet Dec 2023 #18
This analogy doesn't work Sympthsical Dec 2023 #20
Thank you for your example. I'm finally starting to understand the other point of view BUT ecstatic Dec 2023 #31
Maybe some context will help FHRRK Dec 2023 #21
Is the soldier in this story supposed to represent Israel or Hamas? Both seem applicable. Also ... LonePirate Dec 2023 #26
It's your strawman that "doesn't work". Hamas could indeed end this at any time FBaggins Dec 2023 #27
It's not an "excuse." yardwork Dec 2023 #28
Not entirely true MattBaggins Dec 2023 #30
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