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115. I'm with you, nashville_brook...

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Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:34 AM

Nov 2012

....BETRAYED. And they should lower the ages instead of raising them. If they change any of those programs (Medicare, Social Security or Medicaid) this will not be the America we've lived all of our lives in, fought & died for, worked and paid into the systems all of our lives and paid taxes for. We will be a 3rd world country.

After this election, though, I think the shoe is on the other foot. It's the reason all of the money-mongers are going crazy. Their number is up. This "cliff" business is nothing but a trick they came up with. The only thing that's going to go over some imaginary cliff is the Bush tax cuts.

It's a shell game, folks. Has anyone seen the shell game actually played? I went to a historical festival a few years back and happened by this fellow dressed in period costume. He didn't actually take any money... he just explained how it was done, and told the whole history of the game. (He was good at his craft, too.) If you EVER have a chance to see this game demonstrated, take it. Right there in that simple game, I saw how the money-mongers do it. It's a game of bait and switch. Sleight of hand. It's an old con game.

When I seen that look that Hillary give Bibi today, I puffed up with the biggest feeling of hope that I've felt in years. Something is happening here, and it's good. This is Thanksgiving. Let's put our worries aside for now and enjoy the Holiday. I believe the odds are on our side now, and that is something to be thankful for. Sorry to preach. Let's party now....

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Question: how would you feel if they raised the minimum age of Social Security or Medicare? [View all] nashville_brook Nov 2012 OP

I would be furious. MrSlayer Nov 2012 #1

what would you be willing to do to prevent this? nashville_brook Nov 2012 #188

My union is very active politically. MrSlayer Nov 2012 #192

I've got Nelson and Rubio nashville_brook Nov 2012 #231

Thank you, signed and comment added! nt Sadiedog Nov 2012 #207

+1 lsewpershad Nov 2012 #189

with Obamacare, insurers might oppose raising the age, and it might add to the deficit anyway CreekDog Nov 2012 #191

Absolutely furious! Warpy Nov 2012 #2

Gotta tell you that behindthe8ballnchain Nov 2012 #41

nice Sex Pistols reference! eggsactly. nashville_brook Nov 2012 #56

"they want younger, cheaper and stupider" - same in my line of work wordpix Nov 2012 #99

i've been planning how to segue into a "wisdom" career nashville_brook Nov 2012 #149

+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #106

You still get to 65 with an intact body Warpy Nov 2012 #141

Aren't nurses at highest risk for back problems? Patiod Nov 2012 #152

I'm a PT. We're way up there too. Squinch Nov 2012 #160

The corporate expiration date used to be 55 Warpy Nov 2012 #168

Thanks! JustAnotherGen Nov 2012 #209

totally agree - no one takes into account the kind of work 90% of us do. nashville_brook Nov 2012 #62

It's worse than 'they have no clue'. They don't care. Those who want to cut sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #121

Great point it`s not their money. NT Sadiedog Nov 2012 #208

Give the desk jockeys a break, we're all in this together. The attitude you project about those Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #129

I've worked highly technical office jobs Warpy Nov 2012 #140

The pay is definitely an an issue even though many office guys make less that physical work. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #163

i'm urging folks to start thinking about what you're able to do to prevent this nashville_brook Nov 2012 #190

At 61, NOT VERY GOOD. Faygo Kid Nov 2012 #3

+1 -- Medicare not warfare. nashville_brook Nov 2012 #44

excellent slogan wordpix Nov 2012 #100

Scrap The Cap nashville_brook Nov 2012 #146

i'm with you "scrap the cap" newspeak Nov 2012 #155

We already feel screwed - my husband was hoping to retire at 63 csziggy Nov 2012 #4

The exchanges are not much help if truedelphi Nov 2012 #21

what? robinlynne Nov 2012 #73

Let's see - truedelphi Nov 2012 #241

Very few of us can afford 1k per month for insurance! I can't imagine. robinlynne Nov 2012 #245

Right now, the only subsidy for anyone my age in the state of Calif. truedelphi Nov 2012 #249

I think the age of eligibility for Medicare has always been 65.... Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #37

I believe the starting age for Medicare has always been 65 unless doc03 Nov 2012 #109

If you become too sick to work at 58 what good is SS/Medicare? banned from Kos Nov 2012 #5

If you are disabled you can get Social Security benefits before you turn 65. Cleita Nov 2012 #7

I'm 53 and am on SSDI and get Medicare. Kaleva Nov 2012 #15

Medicare will pay for some medical conditions like renal failure just Cleita Nov 2012 #19

2 Years union_maid Nov 2012 #32

That's good. I didn't know that. Cleita Nov 2012 #39

And it's two years from the date your disability began. Kaleva Nov 2012 #52

Medicare and Medicaid are not the same, nor is SSI and SSDI. freshwest Nov 2012 #98

Just because we don't go into detail on a short post doesn't mean Cleita Nov 2012 #125

But you posted incorrect information about disability and Medicare, claiming that Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #227

I never said Medicare is at 65 even with disability. Cleita Nov 2012 #240

True! ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #107

I have a tendency to get blood clots. Kaleva Nov 2012 #38

yeah, but SSDI is for anyone - even a 30 yr old. banned from Kos Nov 2012 #17

Hmm, yes and no. truedelphi Nov 2012 #251

Doesn't seem right to me. Cleita Nov 2012 #252

Well three years from now, I am elgible for Social Security itself. truedelphi Nov 2012 #253

You don't know how the system works? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #22

there is no age restriction on SSDI banned from Kos Nov 2012 #55

Then what was your point? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #123

If a person qualifies for SSDI, they can get Medicare as well. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #40

If you are trying to make a point, spit it out. Using questions is like Hannity. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #111

Even though I am already on those programs, I would feel betrayed for you. Cleita Nov 2012 #6

Really great answer. truedelphi Nov 2012 #24

Couldn't agree more! nashville_brook Nov 2012 #165

This nation can afford LOWERING the age JKingman Nov 2012 #8

Even Cuba does better than us. nt Cleita Nov 2012 #9

Yes, but WHERE is that wealth? BlueStreak Nov 2012 #27

Yes, we know where it is! We only need a little of it JKingman Nov 2012 #45

Absolutely Correct, and Welcome to DU! bananas Nov 2012 #117

Raising Medicare age is a death sentencefor many - truedelphi Nov 2012 #10

omg -- I had NO IDEA the exchanges were so useless! nashville_brook Nov 2012 #69

I'm 51. I do NOT believe "Social Security" as we know it now will be in effect when I'm 60, 65... cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #11

You are looking at this the wrong way. JKingman Nov 2012 #20

There are more than enough workers, Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #30

would you sign the ALF-CIO petition for this? nashville_brook Nov 2012 #186

I probably already had Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #226

not yet -- i need to do that today nashville_brook Nov 2012 #230

Excellent! Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #232

we baby boomers have been front loading the system since Rayguns NMDemDist2 Nov 2012 #59

Thank you for the wisdom of your comment. n/t truedelphi Nov 2012 #250

That's absolutely not true. You are buying the big lie. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #122

precisely. It's a con. nashville_brook Nov 2012 #173

The Soc Sec trust fund is intact. In fact it runs a surplus. Which is invested in interest-bearing pinto Nov 2012 #205

precisely -- but, the good thing is that it hasn't been taken seriously in this latest debate. nashville_brook Nov 2012 #234

The problem is, ronnie624 Nov 2012 #236

I agree, it should stand on its own. And does. Soc Sec payments aren't borrowed money. pinto Nov 2012 #237

The devil is in the details BlueStreak Nov 2012 #12

If you were born in 1960 or later, your full benefit age is already 67. Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #28

Right and that crept up from 65 to 67 over 20 years BlueStreak Nov 2012 #76

Perhaps, Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #134

There is a question of first principles BlueStreak Nov 2012 #136

people aren't living longer -- that's a RW myth nashville_brook Nov 2012 #172

It seems to me that the larger part of the problem Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #224

Yes, I agree almost 100% BlueStreak Nov 2012 #228

It depends on when it starts. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2012 #13

cutting off payments to people with income >120,000 would cut less than 1% out HiPointDem Nov 2012 #46

I oppose cutting off payments to people with income >12,000. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2012 #164

raise it, get it over with. 52 here. n/t. okieinpain Nov 2012 #14

Betrayed, but not surprised. With Erskine Bowles and sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #16

i would feel like I'm done listening to the president talk Doctor_J Nov 2012 #18

The Presdident has already said that Social Security can't be cut. Ever. truedelphi Nov 2012 #29

Not only would I feel betrayed but I would never vote again. I mean, why bother? forestpath Nov 2012 #23

Those born in 1960 or later Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #25

Yes please emphasize that fact abelenkpe Nov 2012 #81

the range of ages collecting, means that a raise in the age lowers EVERYONE's benefits. nashville_brook Nov 2012 #90

Another way they screw over the 99% Sekhmets Daughter Nov 2012 #135

It's such a cynical way to cut off benefits to people. A certain percentage will die before ever geckosfeet Nov 2012 #26

Good point. nashville_brook Nov 2012 #171

Yes, it is cynical and shows what some people value. Sadiedog Nov 2012 #211

NOT acceptable. patrice Nov 2012 #31

Furious, betrayed and done with it all. Autumn Nov 2012 #33

As pointed out above, you (and I) aren't even eligible for full benefits until you're 67. bluedigger Nov 2012 #34

probably too young to care or be paying much attention. up into your thirties you HiPointDem Nov 2012 #48

It happened in the 90's didn't it? bluedigger Nov 2012 #57

nope, 1983, ushered in in steps. reagan, the source of all things shitty where SS HiPointDem Nov 2012 #64

Guess, I'm losing it already. bluedigger Nov 2012 #72

I agree. They play the game by saying things like it would only affect still_one Nov 2012 #35

Americans live longer today than in FDR's time. Therefore, it is not necessarily something to deny graham4anything Nov 2012 #36

Yes, that's the right wing's favorite talking point. Cleita Nov 2012 #43

Benefit age has already been raised. The gap between post-retirement longevity HiPointDem Nov 2012 #54

well, i remember reading a sad, depressing article over ten years ago newspeak Nov 2012 #157

I thought that, too, until recently. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #67

raising the age would actually REDUCE the benefits everyone gets, regardless. nashville_brook Nov 2012 #82

You must come from old money. RagAss Nov 2012 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author dtom67 Nov 2012 #103

It isn't logical, it is simple minded. TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #130

I blame Ralph Nader for this too... Gore and Bush were NOT the same, yet Nader lied again. graham4anything Nov 2012 #131

Nobody said you were simple minded, your argument is and you did nothing TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #137

If Obama gets us a France like health care, we save 1000 times the money SS provides graham4anything Nov 2012 #138

it is flat-out untrue that people are living longer (dying at an older age) nashville_brook Nov 2012 #145

Where is the equality? Simple, Medicare for All. Like all other civilized sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #203

this isn't about "the baby-boomers being greedy" it's about Wall Street being greedy nashville_brook Nov 2012 #151

Wow! Well lucky you if your kids won't need SS. Lucky me too. But I am not so sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #202

ranting is nice, but reading what I said would be nicer. Nobody is taking SS away. However graham4anything Nov 2012 #213

Well, those seem like reasonable proposals although I would have sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #220

I agree with MOST of what you write here, except graham4anything Nov 2012 #222

Well, those are all good points and I have no objection to sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #238

This message was self-deleted by its author Sadiedog Nov 2012 #212

Except that we aren't living longer. jeff47 Nov 2012 #217

spot on. nashville_brook Nov 2012 #235

Furious and betrayed. nt Ilsa Nov 2012 #42

this former-republican Nov 2012 #50

TOTALLY P.O'D! Seriously. I will be very angry. Very very very angry. It's unacceptable. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #47

Get ready to be PO'd. Age for full retirement for anyone born 1960 citizen blues Nov 2012 #187

My full benefits age is currently 66. That's old enough. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #214

Goddamn right. UNACCEPTABLE. We can expand, NOT contract the social contract DirkGently Nov 2012 #49

+10000000 -- there's too many people who want you to think it's "inevitable" right now... nashville_brook Nov 2012 #66

Tada. It's a scam. A proposed taking. Nothing more or less than that. DirkGently Nov 2012 #83

It would SUCK! kaiden Nov 2012 #51

totally betrayed. i started paying in just when reagan doubled fica, exactly to prevent this. unblock Nov 2012 #53

me too. and still when it was doubled, it was amazingly cheap, nashville_brook Nov 2012 #71

Ripped off catbyte Nov 2012 #58

Um, I already only eligible at 67..getting kinky Congress. MichiganVote Nov 2012 #60

It would be one more rug pulled out from my senior years. liberal N proud Nov 2012 #61

seriously -- to pile and age change with the decimation the middle class has endured nashville_brook Nov 2012 #85

this assumes your elected politicians care what you think now that they elected again nt msongs Nov 2012 #63

if you are too ill to work until you are 65 sabbat hunter Nov 2012 #65

It would be another American ripoff in US = United Stupidity, Inc. on the fast train RKP5637 Nov 2012 #68

I'm eligible to file for early SS in December--and I am--to begin when I turn 62 next March. mnhtnbb Nov 2012 #70

If you get $700 month at 62, and the age is raised to 69, your benefit drops to $610 (less $90) nashville_brook Nov 2012 #84

It is that important abelenkpe Nov 2012 #74

Time to write the President and let him know how we feel. Milliesmom Nov 2012 #75

call and write your senators, also -- that's where the action is right now. nashville_brook Nov 2012 #175

Yes, and fighting means actual fighting, not plethoro Nov 2012 #77

Well. You said it best Savannahmann Nov 2012 #78

Raising Medicare eligibility age = mass murder eridani Nov 2012 #79

amen! nashville_brook Nov 2012 #89

Betrayed, disillusioned, and extremely pissed-off. Marr Nov 2012 #80

Suicidal - and that is not a joke. RagAss Nov 2012 #86

Washington Post BlueinOhio Nov 2012 #88

Completely pissed...... bowens43 Nov 2012 #91

As long as Mr President signs off on it, I'm cool with it. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #92

Times have changed. Those programs need some adjustments. MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author dtom67 Nov 2012 #97

You have it all wrong. See, the money doesn't all go into offshore accounts MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #102

Third-Way Manny... nashville_brook Nov 2012 #120

An honest description of how I feel about this would probably be a TOS violation. n/t gkhouston Nov 2012 #94

for reals. nashville_brook Nov 2012 #119

Makes me want to JEB Nov 2012 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author dtom67 Nov 2012 #96

Enraged. That would be discriminatory and there's no need to raise the age BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #101

Medicare change -- Lower the age to 0 !! Medicare for All !! Overseas Nov 2012 #104

Medicare should be open to anyone who wants to buy into it. begin_within Nov 2012 #105

It would suck but I see the logic behind it krawhitham Nov 2012 #108

it's a RW red herring that "people are living longer" -- completely NOT TRUE nashville_brook Nov 2012 #150

I've been considering "means testing" for Social Security, but.... Hulk Nov 2012 #110

You're right to doubt/question means testing. PETRUS Nov 2012 #113

k&r - they should LOWER the minimum age bananas Nov 2012 #112

Furious PADemD Nov 2012 #114

I'm with you, nashville_brook... ReRe Nov 2012 #115

If the Democrats follow through rudycantfail Nov 2012 #116

PISSED. OFF. AS. HELL. ProfessionalLeftist Nov 2012 #118

you know it is ALREADY past 65, right? Skittles Nov 2012 #124

you can start taking 75% of full retirement at 62 nashville_brook Nov 2012 #148

Eliminate the cap.. Permanut Nov 2012 #126

Scrapping the cap is the fairest way to make SS solvent nashville_brook Nov 2012 #139

IF we choose to address it now, which we don't have to do. DirkGently Nov 2012 #142

there's that keen sense of the obvious :) nashville_brook Nov 2012 #147

I'm 62 and don't know how many work years I have left in me ribrepin Nov 2012 #127

I made it to 64 before they got me for age discrimination! CTyankee Nov 2012 #258

BETRAYED was the word that leaped to mind. aquart Nov 2012 #128

Raising the age is discriminatory, and is bad underwriting panAmerican Nov 2012 #132

A high retirement age hurts those who need SS the most. aandegoons Nov 2012 #133

also, raising the age, would cut the benefits for everyone... nashville_brook Nov 2012 #144

Bastards better not! lonestarnot Nov 2012 #143

it would put me well into the nothing left to lose territory. Cobalt Violet Nov 2012 #153

How would you feel if a supposed "Democrat" even suggested the above. bvar22 Nov 2012 #154

and...can we trust our party to hold the line on this nashville_brook Nov 2012 #159

I just turned 64 today HockeyMom Nov 2012 #156

happy birthday! nashville_brook Nov 2012 #161

About the same as I do now. raouldukelives Nov 2012 #158

I'd feel robbed, a witness to class theft davekriss Nov 2012 #162

Unsurprised. Skip Intro Nov 2012 #166

Raising the age is ok for some worker classes. All workers should have the option to bluestate10 Nov 2012 #167

ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS !!! WillyT Nov 2012 #169

Heck yeah, WillyT! nashville_brook Nov 2012 #170

The word you used Liberalynn Nov 2012 #174

wondering also, given how negatively we feel about it, what are we willing to do? nashville_brook Nov 2012 #184

Thanks. I will sign. Liberalynn Nov 2012 #239

Where was all this outrage when they did raise the SS age? Curmudgeoness Nov 2012 #176

i think a lot has changed since 1983. nashville_brook Nov 2012 #178

Your full retirement age is already 67 Yo_Mama Nov 2012 #177

True, and very realistic! JKingman Nov 2012 #180

indeed -- most people don't realize this. also, you're able to take a percentage of bennies nashville_brook Nov 2012 #181

Exactly - it's really a closet cut Yo_Mama Nov 2012 #185

Betrayed Marrah_G Nov 2012 #179

so...what would you be willing to do about it? nashville_brook Nov 2012 #182

Thank you for the link Marrah_G Nov 2012 #193

AFL-CIO is doing an organized effort -- sign the petition nashville_brook Nov 2012 #183

done Marrah_G Nov 2012 #199

Raising the age is a child mind solution Rain Mcloud Nov 2012 #194

we have a messed up way of thinking about work -- i mean, working people KNOW the product/service nashville_brook Nov 2012 #196

LOWER IT TO 60 and take the income cap OFF SunSeeker Nov 2012 #195

just commented upthread that we have a lot more power than we realize nashville_brook Nov 2012 #197

Thanks for the link. Signed it! nt SunSeeker Nov 2012 #215

Betrayed! ebbie15644 Nov 2012 #198

AFL-CIO is doing an organized effort against this -- sign the petition nashville_brook Nov 2012 #200

signed and I contacted my Senators already!! ebbie15644 Nov 2012 #247

It would be the very thing Obama said he wouldnt do DearAbby Nov 2012 #201

What would they do if the 99% just said no and stop working until we got what we wanted Pakid Nov 2012 #204

Encourage you to persistently document med conditions that effect your work abilities. pinto Nov 2012 #206

Lower Social Security Eligibility to 55; Raise Benefits By 15% ProSense Nov 2012 #210

Now you're talking! SunSeeker Nov 2012 #216

I'm confused Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2012 #218

What amount a year is the largest amount someone receives from their SS a year? graham4anything Nov 2012 #219

people aren't living longer -- that's a Wall St myth: why do rich guys want to raise retirement age? nashville_brook Nov 2012 #229

Eleven percent of the Baby Boomers are already truedelphi Nov 2012 #242

How would I feel? Dead. Glitterati Nov 2012 #221

Betrayed, enraged, furious magical thyme Nov 2012 #223

Pissed Carolina Nov 2012 #225

Betrayed, 99Forever Nov 2012 #233

It makes me worry about my brothers liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #243

i don't know anyone with a "serious" retirement fund nashville_brook Nov 2012 #244

Are you smarter than a US Congressman? I think we all are- why are we waiting on them? RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #246

Betrayed is not the word SLY KAT Nov 2012 #248

This is a great thread and glad to see it back on the front page Oilwellian Nov 2012 #254

What you mean if, Kemosabe? deaniac21 Nov 2012 #255

We are already betrayed and suckered. woo me with science Nov 2012 #256

LIVID would be an understatement! nt Raine Nov 2012 #257