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Thu Feb 22, 2024, 01:20 PM Feb 2024

It's about evangelism, evangelicals, and why they are so dangerous [View all]

House Speaker Mike Johnson is an unabashed "evangelical Christian," a term that is applied to a lot of individuals and groups today, mainly to those who seek to force their version of Christianity on the rest of us.

And why do they do this, try to force their beliefs on us even to the point of arguing that the US is a "Christian nation" and our laws should be based on Biblical laws? Because that's what they have been "called" to do.

I know "evangelical Christians" and "evangelical Christianity" because I was born (1944) and reared in rural South Mississippi, grew up as a white supremacist Southern Baptist, became uncomfortable with what I was hearing from the pulpit, escaped to college at age 18, read some dangerous books, and have never returned -- except to march in Selma and Montgomery and Birmingham in the 1960's and continue to piss off my MAGA relatives and friends in my old age.

The word "evangelize" -- and its other forms, "evangelism," "evangelical" -- comes from the Church Latin evangelizare, "to spread or preach the Gospel," with the Greek root euangelizesthai, or "bring good news."

According to the Gospel of Mark, Christians are ordered by Jesus to go into the world and "bring good news."

Mark chapter 16 verse15, which purports to be the words of Jesus, is translated variously with the same meaning in each translation.

15 And he said unto them, "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."

15 And he said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation."

15 And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone.”

The writings of the Apostle Paul make up the bulk of the Christian New Testament and Paul's evangelism is held up as the example for all Christians to follow. Not only did Paul "proclaim the good news of Jesus," he CONVERTED people from whatever spiritual beliefs they held to Paulian Christianity and he encouraged them to convert others. It is from this period of Christianity that "evangelizing" went from "spreading the good news" to converting the heathen to Christianity (by any means possible, by the sword if need be, which is how we converted the "heathen Indians" in the USofA)).

Of all the world's religions, two are evangelizing faiths: Christianity and Islam. Some argue that their methods are the same.

Muslims do “evangelism.” It is a duty in Islam called da’wa. In Islamic dogma, da’wa means “to invite people to Islam.” It is the act of making an appealing message, calling people to embrace the faith proclaimed by Muhammad, as described in the Quran (Q 3:104; 3:110; 16:125; 41:33). The da’wa focuses on exclusive claims of Allah’s strict monotheism and Muhammad’s prophethood. As Islam spread from its founding in Arabia into Europe and Asia, conquered peoples were converted to Islam -- by persuasion or the sword, similar to the spread of Christianity.

This is why the likes of Mike Johnson and his "Christian nationalist" brethren -- including Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett -- are so dangerous:
-- they are CALLED BY GOD to preach their beliefs, and,
-- they are CALLED BY GOD TO CONVERT OTHERS to their beliefs, and,
-- if we don't like it, they are CALLED BY GOD to use the sword -- or the federalized National Guard.

And, no, I have not been drinking or smoking ganja and I have taken my meds today. This is serious.

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I always found it amusing that although Jesus said, if a town or city did not want to hear the message of Aristus Feb 2024 #1
And they ignore the passage about praying in a closet Farmer-Rick Feb 2024 #8
The only "verse" that matters jayschool2013 Feb 2024 #31
Oh I agree Farmer-Rick Feb 2024 #40
Absolutely correct, humanity is not their first priority. It's God's kingdom Walleye Feb 2024 #2
It is ever-changing mythology. pandr32 Feb 2024 #3
By Zeus, I believe that you are on to something! Dave Bowman Feb 2024 #10
Yes, but we have to deal with this version, progressoid Feb 2024 #13
They didn't listen to their own. CrispyQ Feb 2024 #4
Hell no. They welcomed them in. progressoid Feb 2024 #19
Reminds me of something I learned in Catholic school. calimary Feb 2024 #36
My narcissist mother is a Talibangelical who blew up her family in the name of Jesus OMGWTF Feb 2024 #5
I have always thought that there is only one way to deal with religious thoughts, that say have faith. bluestarone Feb 2024 #6
I am tired of people who quote the bible. Just post some fortunes from your Chinese cookies. twodogsbarking Feb 2024 #7
The real mystery is John Farmer Feb 2024 #9
They are damn hypocrites. Dave Bowman Feb 2024 #12
These creepy weirdos sure are very dangerous and it seems Dave Bowman Feb 2024 #11
Christian Covidicus StarryNite Feb 2024 #15
You can't argue or reason with a god. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2024 #14
Yes you can! ArkansasDemocrat1 Feb 2024 #26
"CALLED BY GOD" -- God's voice in their head, or their own ego? Martin Eden Feb 2024 #16
Good OP moniss Feb 2024 #17
Goldwater was wrong about much but he was right about evangelists Warpy Feb 2024 #18
Goldwater would have been better (err...less paranoid?) than Nixon, he should have run in '68 ArkansasDemocrat1 Feb 2024 #27
Similar for me (1943, Missouri) Trust_Reality Feb 2024 #20
I'm surprised that everyone doesn't already know this! CCExile Feb 2024 #21
Unfortunately, the "moderate" Christians uphold the radical Christofascists LiberalLovinLug Feb 2024 #22
I hear you. These leaders are dangerous, but Pew and 538 show charts that show they don't represent most Christians. ancianita Feb 2024 #23
The problem is that they have the ear, or are actually political leaders within the Republican Party Caliman73 Feb 2024 #32
You may be right that they have leaders' ear. But it's Americans' views of them that are driving the vote toward the ancianita Feb 2024 #34
Religious zealots are dangerous dlk Feb 2024 #24
It's interesting that the phrase is Mblaze Feb 2024 #25
It is more than evangelism. It is Dominionism. Caliman73 Feb 2024 #28
I'm all in with this thread leanforward Feb 2024 #29
These Fanatics take "Onward Christian Soldiers" LITERALLY. amb123 Feb 2024 #30
KICK. PlutosHeart Feb 2024 #33
Now that politics are being driven by religion, it's fair game on this general page. lindysalsagal Feb 2024 #35
The Americanized Evangelicals will fold like tissue paper the moment it costs them things......... jaxexpat Feb 2024 #37
K&R...nt Wounded Bear Feb 2024 #38
Polls apparently are showing that the dominionists comprise a minority of evangelicals . Permanut Feb 2024 #39
I'm in complete agreement leanforward Feb 2024 #41
Of course, it is serious. OldBaldy1701E Feb 2024 #42
Yep. Religion is a mind virus. redqueen Feb 2024 #43
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