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Sabato says that the (NY Times) poll is flawed [View all]

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Sabato says that the (NY Times) poll is flawed [View all] videohead5 Mar 2024 OP

I like Sabato senseandsensibility Mar 2024 #1

I do too. underpants Mar 2024 #28

He is one of less impressive pollsters out there IMHO, and was a 'Clinton has it in the bag' gaslighter in 2016 every Celerity Mar 2024 #47

He's not a pollster TexasDem69 Mar 2024 #51

He and his uni org (at UVa) used to conduct polls, I was unaware he had stopped. Celerity Mar 2024 #55

I was unaware he used to conduct polls TexasDem69 Mar 2024 #57

If he has stopped, we were both right. (Glass half full v half empty) Celerity Mar 2024 #60

46-46 women is wild d_b Mar 2024 #2

Really... MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2024 #8

Me too d_b Mar 2024 #9

Thank you! True Blue American Mar 2024 #23

I took a Women in Politics course at Rutgers Center for American Women and Politics. I tend to believe it. TheBlackAdder Mar 2024 #21

The same views and beliefs are not quite the same now. LiberalFighter Mar 2024 #27

It was the same through the ERA movement and the reason for its failure to be ratified. TheBlackAdder Mar 2024 #29

When did you take the course? intheflow Mar 2024 #69

2017 -- But while Roe energized many liberal and moderate women and men, it solidified conservative women and men. TheBlackAdder Mar 2024 #74

You beat me to it. Butterflylady Mar 2024 #91

Wouldn't this be true only for non Hispanic White women? Nt spooky3 Mar 2024 #77

This is women in as a whole. Latinas tend to vote more liberal, offset by Latinos who vote more conservative. TheBlackAdder Mar 2024 #79

My hypothesis would be if you broke out the demographics, what was reported spooky3 Mar 2024 #80

Yes, and if I remember correctly Black women vote Dem higher then Black men, so there isn't much ground to gain. TheBlackAdder Mar 2024 #88

One thing that's strange is that sources report very spooky3 Mar 2024 #92

Exit poll results vary. Yet, with 57% supporting Biden, 43% did not, which is still close to the 45% number. TheBlackAdder Mar 2024 #94

True, though some voted 3rd party nt spooky3 Mar 2024 #95

Trump got 44% of the female vote in 2020 TexasDem69 Mar 2024 #76

Thanks elleng Mar 2024 #3

Waiting for the condescending replies to arrive in 3......2......1..... SoFlaBro Mar 2024 #4

Let me guess senseandsensibility Mar 2024 #6

How about... MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2024 #11

Those will work. My favorite is "you don't trust every poll ever published? Are you stupid?" SoFlaBro Mar 2024 #14

Mine as well. While other polls show Trump is in deep shit with women paleotn Mar 2024 #30

lol.. but we were Told that just bc Cha Mar 2024 #22

When the numbers don't match reality, I am always dubious. I don't see Orange Bastard gaining traction with women. SoFlaBro Mar 2024 #52

But the nyt couldn't wait to Cha Mar 2024 #56

The NY Times and Siena videohead5 Mar 2024 #5

The NY Times borrowed millions from Paul Singer during its crisis about 10 years ago peppertree Mar 2024 #24

How is The NY Times TexasDem69 Mar 2024 #58

The are owned by the are of New York. SoFlaBro Mar 2024 #81

Yeah, meant "state" TexasDem69 Mar 2024 #86

Thanks for posting this MorbidButterflyTat Mar 2024 #7

That is a key part that makes the poll flawed in my opinion. LiberalFighter Mar 2024 #12

980 is about .... reACTIONary Mar 2024 #46

I only consider aggregated polls like 538 charts to be useful anymore BootinUp Mar 2024 #10

Aggregated polls are only as good as the individual polls used in the aggregate Blaukraut Mar 2024 #20

Useful. nt BootinUp Mar 2024 #25

Lol FHRRK Mar 2024 #13

My NYT friends swear it's true d_b Mar 2024 #15

The fact that it is that obvious boggles the mind FHRRK Mar 2024 #19

n/s JustAnotherGen Mar 2024 #42

Polling the trolls. dchill Mar 2024 #16

The NYT has obviously chosen a side... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #17

"The NYT has obviously chosen a side..." LenaBaby61 Mar 2024 #84

Thanks for reminding us of the NYT's long-time position as a rightwing rag. Think. Again. Mar 2024 #85

But does Larry know a certain member personally? BannonsLiver Mar 2024 #18

n/s JustAnotherGen Mar 2024 #43

I trust Mr. Sabato Keepthesoulalive Mar 2024 #26

You must have been extremely disappointed in 2016 then. Celerity Mar 2024 #61

There was a sexual rat involved in 2016 Keepthesoulalive Mar 2024 #66

Sabato doesn't say the poll is fraudulent. brooklynite Mar 2024 #31

Right, 'just' flawed. elleng Mar 2024 #33

Obama was losing them also videohead5 Mar 2024 #35

Yes, thanks, helps 'somewhat,' elleng Mar 2024 #37

So because he doesn't use the word fraudulent senseandsensibility Mar 2024 #34

Just trying to move the goal posts FHRRK Mar 2024 #59

Would like to see details on Sabato's rationale; elleng Mar 2024 #32

It definitely looks flawed at face value... All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #36

Been reading some international opinion on the subject today Warpy Mar 2024 #38

Is Trump ratf*cking the polls mzmolly Mar 2024 #39

It's also really early. Only the second day of March sakabatou Mar 2024 #40

2020 Election results SomedayKindaLove Mar 2024 #41

Agree. lees1975 Mar 2024 #70

Figures never lie, but... Mersky Mar 2024 #44

"NYTimes figures you won't go looking at the details." LenaBaby61 Mar 2024 #83

In every aspect, it meets the definition of outlier. lees1975 Mar 2024 #45

Thanks elleng Mar 2024 #49

It's not really an outlier. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #50

Take into account... lees1975 Mar 2024 #67

You can see the polls from 2020 here... All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #68

Then you have Dave Wasserman tweeting out today that unless the polls change significantly, Trump will win in November. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #48

Should we give up? Kingofalldems Mar 2024 #62

No. But what we do is irrelevant. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #63

Hmmm. Imagine that. marble falls Mar 2024 #53

Why is anyone getting all worked up... Locutusofborg Mar 2024 #54

Because there hasn't been a lot of polls lately showing Biden leading. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #64

The same thing happened during the 2012 election kcr Mar 2024 #73

The difference is that Obama led where it counted the most. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #75

But we aren't in final polls kcr Mar 2024 #78

You're the one who brought up Obama trailing. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #82

I brought it up kcr Mar 2024 #89

What other metrics? All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #90

A lot of these polls are internet questionnaires VMA131Marine Mar 2024 #87

"The Republican nominee for president? Doubtful in the extreme." Shrek Mar 2024 #65

Russian money and influence barging in? lees1975 Mar 2024 #71

And yet ornotna Mar 2024 #72

They want a horse race until things get close to the election to keep people tuned in. nt Quixote1818 Mar 2024 #93