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edhopper

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Thu Mar 28, 2024, 09:55 AM Mar 2024

I firmly believe the use of the word "genocide" [View all]

in reference to Israel and Gaza is an effort by some to minimize the Holocaust and negate Israel's right to exists. Those who don't think this and use the term are just aiding this effort.
It is similar to saying "From the River to the Sea" with out acknowledging it is a call to destroy Israel.
Israel has had a disregard for civilian casualties, and that is wrong. But I see no evidence that they wish to kill the population of Gaza, and that is what genocide is. The Holocaust, Armenia, Rwanda, that is what genocide looks like.
If this is genocide, so was the US bombing of Japan in WWII, or the Iraq War. War time casualties, even if the country doing it is indifferent, is not genocide.

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Deliberately pushing millions of Palestinians into one area then carpet bombing that area is genocide. lark Mar 2024 #1
Netanyahu's plan is to CARPET BOMB Rafah? maxsolomon Mar 2024 #49
Now, be fair. Surely some carpet has been destroyed by the bombs. Captain Stern Mar 2024 #141
". But I see no evidence that they wish to kill the population of Gaza" Phoenix61 Mar 2024 #2
Was the fire bombing of Tokyo or Dresden edhopper Mar 2024 #9
Did the country of Japan declare war on another country? Phoenix61 Mar 2024 #50
Did Hamas declare war on Israel? thucythucy Mar 2024 #64
Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, launched an attack on the territory of Israel.... Happy Hoosier Mar 2024 #70
There hasn't been an election since 2006. Phoenix61 Mar 2024 #100
Nope. Not the point. Happy Hoosier Mar 2024 #158
It is the point. Phoenix61 Mar 2024 #167
In your scenario, who pulled the trigger on the last Palestinian? cayugafalls Mar 2024 #108
Not sure what you're getting at. NT Happy Hoosier Mar 2024 #159
It would fit the definition today. Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #62
They were 100% war crimes, and what is happening in Gaza is ethnic cleansing slipping into genocide obamanut2012 Mar 2024 #75
What 1 and 2 said. Faux pas Mar 2024 #3
Genocide is not just the violent murder of a specific group of people Fiendish Thingy Mar 2024 #4
That's utterly useless. Happy Hoosier Mar 2024 #71
Yeah, what's the use of having a war if you have to follow rules? Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2024 #99
... Happy Hoosier Mar 2024 #160
Two Wrongs don't make a Right Fiendish Thingy Mar 2024 #163
The term is being leveraged into meaninglessness. Happy Hoosier Mar 2024 #5
Yes, this edhopper Mar 2024 #10
Yes, sadly Harmony Starshine Mar 2024 #73
Regardless of what party is governing Israel, BunkieBandit Mar 2024 #151
Maybe you ought to listen to what Netanyahu and his cabinet are saying and doing . Autumn Mar 2024 #6
Hamas turned Gaza into a war zone Mysterian Mar 2024 #7
"From the River to the Sea" is a paraphrase of the 1977 Likud manifesto muriel_volestrangler Mar 2024 #8
And when Hamas uses it edhopper Mar 2024 #12
"From the River to the Sea" Celerity Mar 2024 #11
When Hamas, their supporters edhopper Mar 2024 #13
Non responsive. Celerity Mar 2024 #16
To the point edhopper Mar 2024 #17
No, it is simply not answering the legimate questions I asked. There is nothing 'to the point' about non-responsiveness. Celerity Mar 2024 #21
Okay edhopper Mar 2024 #22
It isn't '2 different ways' in terms of what I am discussing, as some on both sides have and are using it to the extent Celerity Mar 2024 #26
We disagree edhopper Mar 2024 #28
..and both sides have the one... thomski64 Mar 2024 #110
Then what does it mean when Israel and its supporters say it? whathehell Mar 2024 #104
You're implying things that aren't there. Mosby Mar 2024 #85
No, no I am not, and you are ignoring Likud, (who ARE currently in power) both in their sloganeering and their actions. Celerity Mar 2024 #127
Bibi is part of a coalition. Mosby Mar 2024 #134
so many RW Israelis, including many in Likud absolutely look at it as a war on all of the Gazans and/or all Palestinians Celerity Mar 2024 #139
The last post from twitter is lying. Mosby Mar 2024 #147
No it is not lying, as that was the gist (notice it was not a quote) of what he was saying. Celerity Mar 2024 #150
Some would rather quibble over the meaning of words than deal with the actual truth. Earth-shine Mar 2024 #14
It's ideological desperation Sympthsical Mar 2024 #15
Thank you edhopper Mar 2024 #19
A righteous rant sarisataka Mar 2024 #24
Exactly! Thank you. betsuni Mar 2024 #107
The definition from the US Holocaust Museum Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2024 #18
I think edhopper Mar 2024 #20
Israel is doing all of the first three Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2024 #23
I think you ignore a lot of important aspects, none of which occurred with your two US examples. BUT hlthe2b Mar 2024 #25
What am I missing in this conflict edhopper Mar 2024 #27
Barricading food aid and allowing starvation is not something the US did. Netanyahu, has. hlthe2b Mar 2024 #33
The US certainly did interdict supplies to Japan sarisataka Mar 2024 #35
We did not barricade/blockade them into starving. You can disagree or debate the atomic bomb hlthe2b Mar 2024 #38
Just to be clear, I have never spoken in favor of Netanyahu sarisataka Mar 2024 #46
... hlthe2b Mar 2024 #52
The Allies during World War One did in fact impose a blockade on the Central Powers thucythucy Mar 2024 #66
I have not used the term 'genocide' as you accuse hlthe2b Mar 2024 #68
I apologize for my mistake. thucythucy Mar 2024 #113
"We did not barricade/blockade them into starving." lol, it was literally called "Operation Starvation" EX500rider Mar 2024 #129
History will not be kind to Netanyahu and his government PatSeg Mar 2024 #37
Yup hlthe2b Mar 2024 #39
Well stated obamanut2012 Mar 2024 #78
Thank you PatSeg Mar 2024 #89
Spot on!! cornball 24 Mar 2024 #101
Denial--so many believe to be only a river in Egypt. hlthe2b Mar 2024 #40
I could not agree with you more. It's also 100 percent antisemitism as a dog whistle jimfields33 Mar 2024 #29
I don't see that at all PatSeg Mar 2024 #41
I want talking DU. Just the protesters who support Hamas against Israel. jimfields33 Mar 2024 #44
I see PatSeg Mar 2024 #47
This is prime example. I'm sorry but I refuse to support this. jimfields33 Mar 2024 #67
Likewise PatSeg Mar 2024 #69
Agreed wholeheartedly. jimfields33 Mar 2024 #94
Hopefully, a better sane world is possible PatSeg Mar 2024 #97
Fuck their "genocide" Shit.. TY for the link. Cha Mar 2024 #148
"I don't see any protestors who support Hamas" EX500rider Mar 2024 #130
wrong obamanut2012 Mar 2024 #79
You could not be more wrong. Sky Jewels Mar 2024 #91
If it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, it's a duck. jrthin Mar 2024 #30
Some people would really be happy to prove genocide ripcord Mar 2024 #31
I am in no way saying that "Jews" are committing genocide. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2024 #60
Do you think the US firebombing of Tokyo where over 80k were killed and over 200k made homeless ripcord Mar 2024 #65
yes, it was a war crime, but it was not yet one obamanut2012 Mar 2024 #81
Did we say the things Bibi has about getting rid of Japan? Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2024 #93
" Did we say the things Bibi has about getting rid of Japan" EX500rider Mar 2024 #132
Sounds like genocide, then. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2024 #136
Actions not words define "genocide" EX500rider Mar 2024 #137
Your "what-about-ism" is getting old. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2024 #138
Words have meanings sarisataka Mar 2024 #32
nope...i do not wish to give israel an eternal get out of jail free card dembotoz Mar 2024 #34
That is for murdering, raping, genocidal, theocratic extremist Arabs and Persian terrorists TheKentuckian Mar 2024 #43
how many Palestinians must die? all of them???????????? dembotoz Mar 2024 #45
You don't have to... Happy Hoosier Mar 2024 #169
It looks more like ethnic cleansing to me. patphil Mar 2024 #36
I wish that wasn't true PatSeg Mar 2024 #42
ethnic cleansing is in fact an act of genocide. Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #61
There is a difference between the two. patphil Mar 2024 #74
Fair enough. Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #88
If the Israeli's proceed with a military attack on the city of Rafah, I might want to reconsider my position. patphil Mar 2024 #142
Genocide has existed on even much more horrific levels. GreenWave Mar 2024 #48
I agree You know, I understand the criticism of the Israeli government. ismnotwasm Mar 2024 #51
If it were claudette Mar 2024 #54
Hamas is the elected government of Palestine ismnotwasm Mar 2024 #63
Babies and claudette Mar 2024 #117
They've never voted in any country involved in a war. Ace Rothstein Mar 2024 #120
Targeting claudette Mar 2024 #123
Can you provide a source that Israel is deliberately targeting children? Ace Rothstein Mar 2024 #125
It's been claudette Mar 2024 #128
So you're being hyperbolic. Ace Rothstein Mar 2024 #131
Hospitals should not be used as command posts & bases by Hamas.. EX500rider Mar 2024 #135
I understand this, of course. ismnotwasm Mar 2024 #152
I don't know claudette Mar 2024 #153
Innocent? Darwins_Retriever Mar 2024 #84
All of them want that? Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2024 #109
Yes claudette Mar 2024 #116
But, 30,000 INNOCENT Palestinians are not Hamas. sarisataka Mar 2024 #90
"But, 30,000 INNOCENT Palestinians are not Hamas." EX500rider Mar 2024 #133
So, then claudette Mar 2024 #53
Check out a meeting about remembering the Holocaust sarisataka Mar 2024 #59
There is a whole world of things between edhopper Mar 2024 #77
Your opinion claudette Mar 2024 #121
It's all opinion edhopper Mar 2024 #122
Not if it's claudette Mar 2024 #124
Which is decided by edhopper Mar 2024 #126
RE: "But I see no evidence that they wish to kill the population of Gaza" IrishAfricanAmerican Mar 2024 #55
FYI there was no legal definition of genocide as a war crime during WWII. Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #56
In WW2 the U.S. firebombed Tokyo ripcord Mar 2024 #57
Which were war crimes then as are the current war crimes in Gaza. Ping Tung Mar 2024 #95
Do we really want to prosecute FDR post mortem? BunkieBandit Mar 2024 #156
If some other country was doing it to some other walled off minority inside their borders... Iggo Mar 2024 #58
Really? Would we?? CincyDem Mar 2024 #96
Your analogy is flawed. Earth-shine Mar 2024 #155
Not the analogy I made. CincyDem Mar 2024 #161
Our gov't has condemned China and the Saudis for human rights violations and more, many times in the past. Earth-shine Mar 2024 #165
No we wouldn't sarisataka Mar 2024 #103
Agree with the premise of this thread Johnny2X2X Mar 2024 #72
The WWII Jewish Holocaust is not the only terrible event that is a genocide. There were many before then and many after obamanut2012 Mar 2024 #76
And I listed two others edhopper Mar 2024 #80
Do you find it interesting that of all the ongoing genocides sarisataka Mar 2024 #87
Absolutely Harmony Starshine Mar 2024 #82
Which is the purpose of edhopper Mar 2024 #83
The purpose is to make the term meaningless or TheKentuckian Mar 2024 #92
The U.S. has to stop sending money to Israel used to purchase munitions for its massive killing of innocent people, Squaredeal Mar 2024 #86
My previous thread edhopper Mar 2024 #98
Do you know Netanyahu has used the term "river to sea" also as to his aim in the region. brush Mar 2024 #102
We should focus on the actions and not on the semantics Redleg Mar 2024 #106
How about focusing on Netanyahu using the term "from the river to the sea" also? brush Mar 2024 #111
Possibly but not necessarily Redleg Mar 2024 #105
No one is saying not to criticize Israel edhopper Mar 2024 #114
Bookmarked (circular, inescapable, belief systems) Duncan Grant Mar 2024 #112
Another redefinition for propaganda in the Pseudo Radicals Dictionary. betsuni Mar 2024 #115
Like "apartheid", "anti-Semitism" and so many others in order to fit their "needs". Behind the Aegis Mar 2024 #118
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Mar 2024 #119
What's missing is intent EX500rider Mar 2024 #140
Section 101 (starting at p. 59) of South Africa ICJ case extensively addresses intent (linked). David__77 Mar 2024 #144
If Hamas surrenders and the IDF stops then genocide is not the intent EX500rider Mar 2024 #146
The word "intent" appears 17 times in South Africa's 84 page document, lapucelle Mar 2024 #149
Many of the folks pontificating on *social media* have no understanding of the actual elements of the crime of genocide. lapucelle Mar 2024 #145
Bad analogy... MythosMaster Mar 2024 #143
Your "stance" on this is purely political, not factual. Jirel Mar 2024 #154
Your genocide is a fiction at best and an insidious lie at worst. TheKentuckian Mar 2024 #168
Whataboutism TheCynic56 Mar 2024 #157
Those who bring up the Holocaust SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2024 #162
I agree with your OP.. Mahalo! Cha Mar 2024 #164
Agree brettdale Mar 2024 #166
3 things regarding the rightwing Israeli coalition government: Martin Eden Mar 2024 #170
I agree that watering down the word genocide is bad Bucky Mar 2024 #171
I no longer defend Israel in Gaza edhopper Mar 2024 #172
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