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In reply to the discussion: GOP Warns Of Shutdown Over Filibuster [View all]jody
(26,624 posts)98. Senate is the ultimate expression of states in the federal government since each state has equal
votes, California's 37+ million citizens have two senators as does Wyoming's 500+ thousand.
You object to using the term "state rights" but Jefferson used it to describe each state's right to nullify laws passed that were unconstitutional.
Jefferson said in the Kentucky Resolution:
Resolved, that the several States composing the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their general government; but that by compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States and of amendments thereto, they constituted a general government for special purposes, delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government; and that whensoever the general government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force: That to this compact each State acceded as a State, and is an integral party, its co-States forming, as to itself, the other party....each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress.
If a state does not have the right to nullify unconstitutional laws as Jefferson and Madison believed, then no citizen has any unalienable rights as a sovereign individual and all power is vested in a totalitarian central government.
IMO that would abandon the last vestige of a government created by We the People who loaned a central government some of our authority and powers as sovereign individuals.
Abraham Lincoln said "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."
Ulysses S. Grant made a similar statement "The right of revolution is an inherent one. When people are oppressed by their government, it is a natural right they enjoy to relieve themselves of oppression, if they are strong enough, whether by withdrawal from it, or by overthrowing it and substituting a government more acceptable."
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Remember Sanders actually filibustering all day on the floor...no one even there listening?
Auntie Bush
Nov 2012
#80
This will be interesting since it brings to the fore state rights protected by the Tenth Amendment
jody
Nov 2012
#10
Senate is the ultimate expression of states in the federal government since each state has equal
jody
Nov 2012
#98
They abused it to avoid bipartisanship in the first place. The people need a functioning Congress.
Gregorian
Nov 2012
#18
It is a bit late to threaten shutdown, when they have already shut down the Senate.
Mr. Sparkle
Nov 2012
#23
I so hope the Democrats make a stand here and broadcast the hell out of it.
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#24
Someone with backbone and courage need be on TV saying they abused filibuster to ruin US economy.
Festivito
Nov 2012
#26
It sure the hell won't be Harry Reid. Disgusted that a discussion could even be had of changing
Purveyor
Nov 2012
#60
And if that doesn't work, are they going to hold their breath till they turn blue? n/t
Lydia Leftcoast
Nov 2012
#31
SS and Medicare recipients will be hurt by this. But the majority of those people voted for
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#57
Don't negotiate with terrorists. Filibuster rules have been grossly abused by republicans.
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#48
Like little kids who didn't get what they wanted at the store, throwing a tantrum.
sarcasmo
Nov 2012
#55
Wait, the GOP are threatening to repeat the last two years if the filibuster rules change?
Thav
Nov 2012
#93
It's not complicated. No actual filibuster = Reid can order the Senate's business to proceed.
AnotherMcIntosh
Nov 2012
#99
The Bush Tax Cuts in 2001 and the renewal in 2003 were passed through reconciliation
Samantha
Nov 2012
#102
Them throw a temper tantrum and shut the goverment down cause they didn't get their way.
Arcanetrance
Nov 2012
#103