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wnylib

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36. The finances of the churches that I know are not secret.
Sun Jun 23, 2024, 03:00 PM
Jun 2024

Last edited Mon Jun 24, 2024, 07:56 AM - Edit history (1)

But, I have nothing against financial rules or laws for non profits that would cut back on frauds. There is already a legal provision for revoking a church's non profit status if it becomes openly political in endorsing candidates. But, as we see with RW Trump supporting churches, when a church supports a party or candidate who is powerful or has powerful, rich backers, the law does not get enforced.

There is a problem with non religious non profits, too, that spend over 50 cents of every dollar donated on salaries and perqs for their administrators.

Way back in the early 1970s, when I was much younger, a friend's mother told me about a bad experience that she had with the Red Cross after her Ohio town had been nearly demolished by a tornado. Donations in money and goods had been sent to the Red Cross for disaster relief. But she said that the Red Cross set up tables where survivors had to pay for the donated items, sometimes at higher than market prices.

Meantime, the Salvation Army showed up with donated food and with blankets and tents that were either donated or bought from donated money. They gave them out freely, no charge. SA volunteers helped people set up the tents, prepare food, and search for people not yet accounted for.

In 1985, a huge supercell system spawned 44 tornadoes over a 10 hour period, from Ohio through Pennsylvania to NY and southern Ontario, Canada. They ranged in strength from F1 to F5. 90 deaths and almost 900 injuries. When it was over, before first responders could reach remote small villages, caravans of PA Amish buggies arrived with food, blankets, and first aid. Some stayed to help clear debris and find missing persons. When areas were cleared, they came back with lumber and tools to help rebuild.

I could never live an Amish lifestyle or accept many of their beliefs and customs. But, it is also a cornerstone of their beliefs that they are obligated to help anyone in need. I've gotta respect that part of their beliefs. I can't condemn the good things that some people do even when I disagree with them about almost everything else.

I always donate to Salvation Army fundraising drives, even though I could never accept some of their beliefs. And, at our local summer farmer's market, I always buy most of my produce from an Amish booth because the quality is good and the prices are lower than other vendors. (I avoid their baked goods because they use lard.)





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Your church is not one of them. [View all] onecaliberal Jun 2024 OP
What rationale is there not to tax the churches? Stardust Mirror Jun 2024 #1
They are also interfering in the operation of our gov't. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #4
Nazi MAGA shithead Jack Hibbs admitted he was instrumental in flipping the Chino Hills school board. Initech Jun 2024 #23
They are no longer churches, they are political operatives. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #25
For sure! Initech Jun 2024 #26
People don't want to follow church dogma, so the church leaders make it the law Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #29
no true Scotsman nt Stardust Mirror Jun 2024 #39
When were they not? dchill Jun 2024 #28
Back in the day, I don't remember priests and nuns lecturing people Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #41
They still don't. demosincebirth Jun 2024 #44
That is absolutely true, and it is why the rationale - and there was one - no loger holds. soldierant Jun 2024 #40
They said screw that, let's go for money and power. Irish_Dem Jun 2024 #42
The belief is (was?) they did more good through their charity than would be generated in tax revenue OnlinePoker Jun 2024 #6
The rationale is that they are nonprofit organizations. wnylib Jun 2024 #7
thanks . i was going to post something on this line , but the last time i did it i got yelled at. AllaN01Bear Jun 2024 #8
I've noticed that the harshest criticism of churches wnylib Jun 2024 #9
did you miss this part? Stardust Mirror Jun 2024 #10
my church split our two major charities into separate 503C non profits yellowdogintexas Jun 2024 #12
cool Stardust Mirror Jun 2024 #13
The finances of the churches that I know are not secret. wnylib Jun 2024 #36
Here is a link that describes the IRS criteria for wnylib Jun 2024 #37
from your link: Stardust Mirror Jun 2024 #38
Thank you for describing the work that your church does. wnylib Jun 2024 #24
No, I did not miss any part of your post. wnylib Jun 2024 #16
how about churches being required to have open books? Stardust Mirror Jun 2024 #17
I don't know what churches you are thinking about, wnylib Jun 2024 #18
if your church's books are so open then no problem if all others would be too Stardust Mirror Jun 2024 #21
You don't need a church to do charitable work. Sky Jewels Jun 2024 #11
Of course you don't need a church to do charitable work. wnylib Jun 2024 #22
So what if some churches ordain women and have female clergy? Sky Jewels Jun 2024 #34
yeah show me where that was said in this thread Stardust Mirror Jun 2024 #14
I believe that religion in this world has been at the center most conflicts..... usaf-vet Jun 2024 #15
It may not happen where you volunteer.... usedtobedemgurl Jun 2024 #20
It's all about the Benjamins. dchill Jun 2024 #30
Effin' great points! Doc Sportello Jun 2024 #27
Spot on! anciano Jun 2024 #2
As Jesus said, Gruenemann Jun 2024 #3
Remind me Cherokee100 Jun 2024 #5
Agree republianmushroom Jun 2024 #19
I hope this ages well 0rganism Jun 2024 #31
Because of the FOUNDING FATHERS underpants Jun 2024 #32
Not every church is one of them bernieb Jun 2024 #33
No church anywhere is a branch of the government . onecaliberal Jun 2024 #35
I 💯 percent agree BlueKota Jun 2024 #43
The separation of Church and State is a fundamental part of our goverment LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2024 #45
Tax the Church lindalou65 Jun 2024 #46
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