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In reply to the discussion: JD Vance Said We Just Need To Reframe The Idea Of Forcing Women To Stay Pregnant [View all]CrispyQ
(37,570 posts)59. Also, forced birth violates a woman's 13th Amendment rights.
Abortion and the 13th Amendment
2010
Forced Labor, Revisited: The Thirteenth Amendment and Abortion
Andrew Koppelman
Northwestern University School of Law, akoppelman@law.northwestern.edu
https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1031&context=facultyworkingpapers
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I. The basic argument The Thirteenth Amendment reads as follows:
2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
My claim is that the amendment is violated by laws that prohibit abortion. When women are compelled to carry and bear children, they are subjected to "involuntary servitude" in violation of the amendment. Abortion prohibitions violate the Amendment's guarantee of personal liberty, because forced pregnancy and childbirth, by compelling the woman to serve the fetus, creates "that control by which the personal service of one man [sic] is disposed of or coerced for another's benefit which is the essence of involuntary servitude."6
Such laws violate the amendment's guarantee of equality, because forcing women to be mothers makes them into a servant caste, a group which, by virtue of a status of birth, is held subject to a special duty to serve others and not themselves.
2010
Forced Labor, Revisited: The Thirteenth Amendment and Abortion
Andrew Koppelman
Northwestern University School of Law, akoppelman@law.northwestern.edu
https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1031&context=facultyworkingpapers
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I. The basic argument The Thirteenth Amendment reads as follows:
1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
My claim is that the amendment is violated by laws that prohibit abortion. When women are compelled to carry and bear children, they are subjected to "involuntary servitude" in violation of the amendment. Abortion prohibitions violate the Amendment's guarantee of personal liberty, because forced pregnancy and childbirth, by compelling the woman to serve the fetus, creates "that control by which the personal service of one man [sic] is disposed of or coerced for another's benefit which is the essence of involuntary servitude."6
Such laws violate the amendment's guarantee of equality, because forcing women to be mothers makes them into a servant caste, a group which, by virtue of a status of birth, is held subject to a special duty to serve others and not themselves.
~more at link
Parents can't be compelled to donate their organs to their child, even to save the child's life. Why does a fetus have more claim on a woman's body than her child who has been born?
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JD Vance Said We Just Need To Reframe The Idea Of Forcing Women To Stay Pregnant [View all]
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
Jul 17
OP
Will all fathers be equally responsible for the child from pregnancy to adulthood?
bullimiami
Jul 17
#5
Then you fucking have the baby, you GD monster. Let's force you to endur something equally traumatic.
hlthe2b
Jul 17
#6
It is called an emasculator--used on bulls and boars. I was just being sensitive to some here.
hlthe2b
Jul 17
#19
Yes, but used on smaller (usually younger) animals. Considered cruel by many because of the high chance of
hlthe2b
Jul 17
#38
It's a potential male, so yes, it would have more rights than the "weaker vessel," women. n/t
valleyrogue
Jul 17
#12
No one is required by law to give up their bodily autonomy for another person
ProfessorPlum
Jul 17
#14
"WE "just" need to reframe the idea...". "Just!?" We're NOT your broodmares, effer!
electric_blue68
Jul 17
#21
Spraying rose water on shit gets you nothing but rose water on shit. The shit is still shit.
Solly Mack
Jul 17
#32
Fuck you, JD, you misogynist piece of shit. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Diamond_Dog
Jul 17
#36
It's not inconvenient to "SOCIETY" -- in GOP-land, we are each ON OUR OWN, mom gets all the medical bills
lostnfound
Jul 17
#40
Yep, that's the babies are innocent meme. But babies CAN and DO create HUGE problems
Model35mech
Jul 17
#41
Let's reframe it to include the death penalty for rapists. And mandatory vasectomies for all males at 18.
flying_wahini
Jul 18
#42
"It's not that our sadistic policies suck - it's our MESSAGING that's the problem!!!"
hatrack
Jul 18
#45
Hey Asshole:How about making birth control very widely available, how about paying for all child care costs, how about..
Dorn
Jul 18
#46