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PlanetBev

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188. I agree with you, and I'm Jewish

Fri Aug 2, 2024, 04:51 PM

Aug 2

I like Shapiro, but given the current conditions in the Middle East, I think it’s might poke too many voters in the eye.

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It's not going to be Shapiro. There are many people who will say his Judaism and Zionism is political suicide right now [View all] DFab420 Jul 28 OP

I like Kelly well enough, but it'd pretty much be an all-West ticket. calimary Jul 28 #1

Shapiro would be political suicide questionseverything Jul 28 #2

There is very strong chattering class natter about dont put two firsts on a ticket.... getagrip_already Jul 29 #105

I cannot, in good conscience, eliminate someone from consideration based on their religion. PeaceWave Jul 29 #148

Nor should you... getagrip_already Jul 29 #150

What about Joe Lieberman? Wouldn't he be the "first Jew"? BamaRefugee Aug 2 #191

He was, but gore wasnt a first anything.... getagrip_already Aug 2 #197

Everyone tries to forget about Lieberman Diraven Aug 2 #215

The 1st time with VP Gore or the 2nd time with Sen. McCain? Or both? nt kelly1mm Aug 2 #251

getagrip_already......... Upthevibe Aug 2 #254

You are probably right about Shapiro, though he is energetic and charismatic. chicoescuela Jul 28 #3

I just wanted to take a second to thank you for seeing this post as intended and not attacking me personally like DFab420 Aug 2 #244

You're welcome. That's not my style. We need to get behind this ticket chicoescuela Aug 2 #249

I hate to agree edhopper Jul 28 #4

Sad but true. DFab420 Jul 28 #27

Yeah TnDem Jul 28 #5

Dearborn would love a VP Tlaib. MichMan Jul 28 #15

That's about the only place that would love her! LeftInTX Jul 29 #74

I would have liked an alternative in the MI-12 primary. JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 29 #155

the democratic voters in dearborn can just get over it IMO nt msongs Jul 28 #16

This is where I'm getting myself. meadowlander Jul 28 #22

They can lodge protests votes iemanja Jul 28 #25

I hope they know that that thing promised to reinstate the Muslim ban to the US if he's elected. catbyte Jul 29 #132

But it's not like there aren't other great options Sky Jewels Jul 29 #73

Shapiro can deliver Pennsylvania...a much win state...we need someone to help with the rustbelt. Demsrule86 Jul 29 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author Demsrule86 Jul 29 #95

Demsrule86..... Upthevibe Aug 2 #260

I keep mentioning Andy Beshear. He doesn't bring a state, but he's amazing for being a winning Democrat in Kentucky. Lonestarblue Jul 29 #121

Agree epreic01 Aug 2 #182

Being from KY, how does Andy Ontheboundry Aug 2 #227

Shapiro delivers PA and why should allow a few anti-semitic protesters to tell us who our VP will be. Demsrule86 Jul 29 #160

NOT just the school voucher thing. Anyone here remember "Gasland?" Brenda Aug 2 #195

Yea that was a thought I had too. DFab420 Aug 2 #213

Kelly's wife is Jewish. marybourg Jul 28 #6

Kamala's husband and step children are Jewish. Funtatlaguy Jul 28 #11

Yes. But they aren't being compared to Shapiro. Kelly is. marybourg Jul 28 #12

Doug's children are not Jewish. madaboutharry Jul 28 #38

In the jewish faith, the mother determines your religion getagrip_already Jul 29 #108

Reform and conservative Judiasm are much marybourg Jul 29 #117

Maybe..... getagrip_already Jul 29 #122

Yes, it can be very variable. But much less rigid marybourg Jul 29 #123

Right but she won't be Vice President either... DFab420 Jul 28 #30

And, Kamala's Husband is Jewish! Cha Jul 28 #67

Why is it "offensive?" It's not denigrating Jews. nt LAS14 Jul 29 #99

"Judaism is political suicide" Mountainguy Jul 29 #134

Thank You, MG... I'm not gong to reply Cha Jul 29 #147

Given that every single VP contender is a Zionist, as are Biden and Harris, lapucelle Aug 2 #172

Walz is suddenly moving up. tavernier Jul 28 #7

Walz is now my first choice. Since I've been seeing videos of him giving speeches, I'm totally in with him. BComplex Jul 29 #76

Same Here WiVoter Aug 2 #185

I've gone from "Walz? Who's he?" to "Walz is my first choice." The way he communicates is a total winning ticket. NBachers Jul 29 #77

I like him and Buttigieg. Nt spooky3 Jul 29 #127

How is this allowed to stand? Really DU? onecaliberal Jul 28 #8

Yes how can we allow hard conversations about politics on this political website DFab420 Jul 28 #24

Read the tos. onecaliberal Jul 28 #29

Show me where I'm violating the ToS. DFab420 Jul 28 #32

Trashing a Democratic politician! VMA131Marine Aug 2 #187

I am sorry...but this is bigotry. We are Democrats...we don't do that. Demsrule86 Jul 29 #107

Attacking a popular governor for his religion is not a hard conversation. Demsrule86 Aug 2 #174

I don't know. I find it disgusting. Demsrule86 Jul 29 #98

What, precisely, is wrong with the OP? It does not denigrate Jews. It just states... LAS14 Jul 29 #100

What we are going have litmus test if one is Jewish or not? I find it disgusting and has no place in the Democratic Demsrule86 Jul 29 #109

Yes it is. There is absolutely no difference between the policies President Biden and JohnSJ Jul 29 #131

Excellent post John .I agree completely. And Nina Turner is one of the 'leaders'. She and her followers will never vote Demsrule86 Aug 2 #177

The only difference between Shapiro and the others if that he is Jewish. I find it disgusting. Demsrule86 Aug 2 #178

People are talking about political calculations. NH Ethylene Jul 29 #130

Who decides that? Demsrule86 Jul 29 #164

The VP pick is decided by Harris. NH Ethylene Jul 30 #171

That is true...so why is sliming a popular Democratic governor a good thing...and it sure as hell looks like Demsrule86 Aug 2 #181

This. onecaliberal Aug 2 #217

It literally makes me ill. TBF Aug 2 #212

So we have come to this. We can't have a Jewish V.P. marybourg Jul 28 #9

He has alot of baggage, that will be a huge topic.. DemocratInPa Jul 28 #18

'under-30 voters listed "Israel/Palestine" 15th among the 16 "major issues" they were asked to rank" emulatorloo Jul 28 #28

I believe it all depends on how severe the slaughter or genocide in Gaza becomes by November Uncle Joe Jul 28 #54

40+ thousand innocents? Or is that the totality of all deaths including Hamas and civilians killed by Hamas misfires? elias7 Jul 29 #88

The fresh water infrastructure has been destroyed along with virtually every hospital in Gaza; an area roughly the size Uncle Joe Jul 29 #139

I don't know where you get your intel from, but Israel is NOT targeting civilians elias7 Aug 8 #267

Too bad. If you want to consider funding and the amount of votes in play...consider there are larger population of Demsrule86 Jul 29 #128

These protesters do not get to decide who our VP is. I am not impressed with much of their behavior: Demsrule86 Jul 29 #165

I know . Gallup poll from 2019 LeftInTX Jul 29 #170

Media really did use a lot of meritless criticisms about Biden's age. Torchlight Jul 29 #92

His religion or lack there of...is not nor ever will be baggage...not in my Democratic Party. Demsrule86 Jul 29 #112

Huh? Cosmocat Jul 29 #140

Care to list his baggage. I live in PA and know of none. I know as AG of PA during the last election Josh did not give debm55 Jul 29 #144

Google "Shapiro sexual harrassment" crimycarny Aug 2 #240

What baggage? I know of none...I used to live in PA and now live in Ohio...I can almost walk to PA. Demsrule86 Jul 29 #158

He does not despite the lies and innuendo being tossed about here...and of course the out and out lies. Demsrule86 Aug 2 #186

When has that ever mattered to the media? crimycarny Aug 2 #243

+++++ emulatorloo Jul 28 #23

Thank you for saying this. I too can't believe what I'm reading... PeaceWave Jul 28 #26

A ticket with a woman as pres., a Black woman at that, and a Jewish VP? brush Jul 29 #72

Serioiusly? I am beyond disgusted by many of the posts I read here....Shapiro is out campaigning today and Demsrule86 Jul 29 #161

Be disgusted. But vote for whoever VP Harris picks from our deep bench of choices. brush Jul 29 #163

I always do...but I would hope the despicable posts from some...not saying you stop. Demsrule86 Aug 2 #184

That's right. It's not anti-semitism. And hamas supporters? Is that the kind.. LAS14 Jul 29 #101

I think its going to be Shapiro Sugarcoated Jul 28 #10

Dearborn is important but so is Bloomfield Hills. MaryMagdaline Jul 28 #13

OTOH, putting Shapiro on the ticket could give Harris cover to be a little less pro-Israel than Biden or Trump democrattotheend Jul 28 #14

That's actually an interesting point I hadn't considered DFab420 Jul 28 #33

Very well said, but consider the Evangelicals. karynnj Jul 29 #143

True, but many of us left-wing Jews who oppose Netanyahu still feel uncomfortable democrattotheend Jul 29 #151

I get what you are saying, but do you have a problem with Harris or any on the VP rumor lost? karynnj Jul 29 #156

No, I trust her enough on Israel democrattotheend Jul 29 #167

You do know Israel was attacked by Hezbollah? Also Zionism just means Israel has the right to Demsrule86 Jul 29 #159

That was exactly my point democrattotheend Jul 29 #166

It's insane how people don't seem to understand how scary it's been DFab420 Aug 2 #179

I believe there are a lot of Jewish voters. nt DontBelieveEastisEas Jul 28 #17

A lot of whom are nervous and ambivalent about stirring up marybourg Jul 28 #20

I'm Jewish and I don't completely disagree democrattotheend Jul 29 #71

Hence "ambivalent ". marybourg Jul 29 #120

So...you think Jews are stirring up antisemitism. Tell me how Jews should behave? I suppose they should keep silent... Demsrule86 Jul 29 #162

I don't know if you purposely misunderstood my post, marybourg Jul 29 #169

Shapiro has historically had a very good relationship with Pennsylvania's Muslim community DavidDvorkin Jul 28 #19

Yes, posted earlier: from Forward: Shapiro's position on Gaza tests close bonds with Arab, Muslim community. elleng Jul 28 #31

Huh. That's probably where I read it. DavidDvorkin Jul 28 #63

Oh Good to Know.. TY! Cha Jul 28 #69

I've been wondering if this might not be the case, knowing nothing of Shapiro up to this point. nt LAS14 Jul 29 #103

Think I read that gab13by13 Jul 28 #21

Cool, campaigning for a candidate isn't the same as being on the ticket. DFab420 Jul 28 #37

Shapiro is a great VP pick LostOne4Ever Jul 28 #34

There are aspirations and then there are real world politics DFab420 Jul 28 #39

The real world implication is that the type of people who would be swayed by that... LostOne4Ever Jul 28 #43

Or youth votes who won't vote for people with pro-zionism politics DFab420 Jul 28 #45

Did you read the polling article or the quotes I posted? Did you read the posts about Shapiro's relationships w muslim emulatorloo Jul 28 #48

Those youths are the tankie antisemites I mentioned LostOne4Ever Jul 28 #50

It's driving me crazy. Nobody questioned it when we had two Christian runningmates for more than 200 years. ColinC Jul 28 #51

Post removed Post removed Jul 28 #35

Me pointing out difficult issues doesn't make me antisemitic and DFab420 Jul 28 #36

See my post #28. I believe you are overstating the importance of I/P to most voters, including youth emulatorloo Jul 28 #40

He's all about private school vouchers which is a minus imho tenderfoot Jul 28 #41

His position is private school vouchers CANNOT and WILL NOT affect PUBLIC SCHOOL FUNDING. emulatorloo Jul 28 #42

I think you'll find out he is NOT 'all about private school vouchers,' elleng Jul 28 #44

Shapiro line-item vetoed a voucher provision in the PA state budget. lapucelle Aug 2 #176

Mahalo lapucelle! I'm saving this for my journal.. TY! Cha Aug 2 #209

Mahalo, Cha. Governor Shapiro is being examined under a microscope lapucelle Aug 2 #219

Yeah "Zionist" only means we believe Isarael has a right to Exist.. Who Cha Aug 2 #224

so you equate Judaism with political suicide Nimble_Idea Jul 28 #46

A complete misrepresentation of my position but go off G. DFab420 Jul 28 #62

nah brah, it's exactly what you wrote Nimble_Idea Jul 29 #90

Those were your words. Demsrule86 Jul 29 #113

That's what you wrote in your thread title though. emulatorloo Jul 29 #125

Do you listen to yourself? Hekate Aug 2 #206

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jul 29 #119

Comment was allowed to stand. Let that sink in. onecaliberal Jul 29 #137

I'm sorry but these "he's too Jewish to be vp" posts are coming off really anti semitic ColinC Jul 28 #47

They are not just coming off as anti-Semitic, they are anti-Semitic. tritsofme Jul 29 #138

Anti-Zionism is antisemitism. nt LexVegas Jul 28 #49

????????????????????? nt LAS14 Jul 29 #106

It is code for anti-semitism. Demsrule86 Jul 29 #115

Unless it's not. nt LAS14 Jul 29 #118

It is exactly the same. Demsrule86 Jul 29 #126

I think it will be Walz Tribetime Jul 28 #52

Walz would be good! Pretty much any of them will be good, and I trust VP Harris to pick the right one. emulatorloo Jul 28 #56

I agree 100 % Tribetime Jul 28 #57

Zionism? orthoclad Jul 28 #53

I'm sure he abhors genocide, as do most people who support Israel's marybourg Jul 28 #58

Doesn't answer my question, thanks orthoclad Jul 28 #60

I answered it, but I guess it wasn't the answer you wanted. marybourg Jul 28 #61

They're taking a literal view Haggard Celine Jul 29 #83

I get the general idea of Zionism, orthoclad Jul 29 #129

Can we afford ... FeelingBlue Jul 28 #55

We won't be losing a Dem. He will be replaced by a Dem. marybourg Jul 28 #59

With a special election in '26 and then another election in '28 at what would have been the end of Kelly's elocs Jul 29 #114

As a Jew, I agree with you MyMission Jul 28 #64

I do too! I wish we weren't in a place where it matters but DFab420 Jul 28 #65

Based on the same voters that the OP is worried about we would have to exclude Buttigieg also. JI7 Jul 28 #70

They will go vote for a Jewish VP before they vote for a gay VP LeftInTX Jul 29 #75

No. There are around 200 million black Muslims, almost none are in the Nation of Islam. It's a tiny AF (less than 50,000 Celerity Jul 29 #79

Nation of Islam is a black religious group in the United States. LeftInTX Jul 29 #80

Do not condescend to me please. I know exactly who and what the Nation of Islam is. Celerity Jul 29 #82

The Arabs know if they lose black support it will hurt them significantly. LeftInTX Jul 29 #84

None of that has a anything to do with the lunatic fringe Nation of Islam. Celerity Jul 29 #86

Religion isn't the main issue. It's a weird thing. LeftInTX Jul 29 #87

I think it's the opposite MyMission Jul 29 #135

Homophobia is much more ingrained. I've seen it from my kids. LeftInTX Jul 29 #153

Who do the haters hate more?!? MyMission Jul 29 #157

The poll you posted was about supporting Israel over Hamas questionseverything Aug 2 #214

Thank you for putting it into perspective with numbers. Brenda Aug 2 #198

Kelly's wife, like Harris' husband, is Jewish. lees1975 Jul 28 #66

How does Shapiro's position get known as well as Sanders'? LAS14 Jul 29 #111

We should stop supporting lgbt rights becsuse those same voters JI7 Jul 28 #68

Stop RandySF Jul 29 #78

I disagree. No one candidate will be perfect. I admit I am not familiar with Shapiro so I will hold judgement. FlyingPiggy Jul 29 #81

And that's it, there's no one candidate who has a perfect OnDoutside Jul 29 #85

Not a good time to be a Jew in America. Oh well, it was good while it lasted. Back to square one. elias7 Jul 29 #89

What you just said does not support Democrats...And calling Shapiro a Zionist is bigtoted. How dare you? Demsrule86 Jul 29 #91

I've been wondering why I hadn't seen any mention of this. nt LAS14 Jul 29 #94

I mean, I've been called a Hamas supporter and an anti-semite DFab420 Jul 29 #141

Your posts could be viewed as antisemitic..although I am not saying they are. I do feel it is a needless attack on a Demsrule86 Aug 2 #173

I'm literally just pointing out weaknesses other politicial watchers are pointing out DFab420 Aug 2 #175

Using religion to divide pwb Jul 29 #96

So the Trump/Vance position on Israel is better?? honest.abe Jul 29 #97

Please share YOUR definition of Zionism here, all who are reading this. Thanks! OneGrassRoot Jul 29 #102

It's not MY definition of Zionism that is concerning. It's the youth, the progressive wing and the upper midwest Muslim DFab420 Aug 2 #228

Bernie is Jewish. kentuck Jul 29 #104

Why should we cater to these fringe, extremist Hamas supporters? BlueTsunami2018 Jul 29 #110

I think most are outside agitators. kentuck Jul 29 #124

It is pointless because they aren't voting for Democrats anyway TheKentuckian Aug 2 #250

I'm still hoping for Walz. CanonRay Jul 29 #116

I guess no one has listened to VP Harris speech on the Middle East, but she made JohnSJ Jul 29 #133

I prefer Kelly, but I despise excluding a Jew because he's a Jew. Dusgusting. NT Happy Hoosier Jul 29 #136

Sort of like how people are excluding Buttigieg all over DU because he's gay? pinkstarburst Jul 29 #146

Shapiro also supports school vouchers TheFarseer Jul 29 #142

Those people aren't going to vote for Kamala no matter who she picks Sugarcoated Jul 29 #145

To those who objected to the OP on grounds of anti-semitism. LAS14 Jul 29 #149

Someone did recently accuse those opposed to Buttigieg of being homophobic democrattotheend Jul 29 #152

THANK YOU! I feel like it's open season for personal attacks against me just for participating in DFab420 Aug 2 #196

I'm torn on this one... BrianTheEVGuy Jul 29 #154

You are overblowing this issue LeftInTX Jul 29 #168

Oh very interesting points! I hadn't seen this poll. DFab420 Aug 2 #211

I think you're overblowing the youth sentiment. GaYellowDawg Aug 2 #180

Calling a jew an anti semite is pretty peak online behavior DFab420 Aug 2 #183

Not my intention GaYellowDawg Aug 2 #190

I really appreciate you. Thank you for seeing me. DFab420 Aug 2 #226

Thank you for accepting. I can do better. GaYellowDawg Aug 2 #230

I agree with you, and I'm Jewish PlanetBev Aug 2 #188

Glad someone understands what I was saying. DFab420 Aug 2 #193

Amazingly enough, antisemitism is always a hot-button topic. Just when you think we've outgrown it... Hekate Aug 2 #189

I don't think so. Demsrule86 Aug 2 #192

Well if I was wrong than it's also an exciting and historic ticket I can't wait to support. DFab420 Aug 2 #194

That is how I feel...whoever it is has my full support. I have no idea if it true...there seems to more Demsrule86 Aug 2 #200

Yea this was more a post to discuss the political theory of the times but people seemed to blow it out of proportion. DFab420 Aug 2 #204

It's really not. Most people couldn't care less. BlueTsunami2018 Aug 2 #199

I don't think it would bowing down, and I'm not really talking about those assholes at the capital last week. DFab420 Aug 2 #203

Every single VP prospect supports Israel. BlueTsunami2018 Aug 2 #245

Trump literally, today, made a play for the Palestinian/Arab/Muslim vote due to Shapiro even being mentioned DFab420 Aug 2 #246

Josh Shapiro ROCKS Sugarcoated Aug 2 #201

It would be an exciting and historic ticket if she did! DFab420 Aug 2 #208

You do realize this decision is entirely in the hands of Harris and her vetting team. honest.abe Aug 2 #202

Yes I do, I was engaging in political discussion about the pros and cons of candidates. I don't have to walk anything DFab420 Aug 2 #207

Post removed Post removed Aug 2 #222

What a weird and creepy, ominous way to threaten me DFab420 Aug 2 #223

Then stop posting this crap. honest.abe Aug 2 #225

This is just gross RandySF Aug 2 #205

I don't agree, I think people are just replying in an emotional manner to a political discussion. DFab420 Aug 2 #210

This is very disappointing jujubeets Aug 2 #216

I'm literally just pointing out what is being talked about in the political spheres. DFab420 Aug 2 #218

It also presupposes that Gaza is the most important issue to a huge swath of voters. BannonsLiver Aug 2 #236

Not a large swath, just enough in key states to damage our chances of winning DFab420 Aug 2 #239

I think you should self-delete this post. It's awful. yardwork Aug 2 #220

Why? These aren't views I hold these are views that are being discussed in the media writ large. DFab420 Aug 2 #221

Right. Yawn. yardwork Aug 2 #232

Ok you can continue to be rude if you want. I've explained my position and how you've misinterpreted my post. DFab420 Aug 2 #233

Because you a going after him for HIS RELIGION, ffs Celerity Aug 2 #234

I'm NOT going after his religion. I AM POINTING OUT OTHERS WILL. Did you even READ my post or just the title? DFab420 Aug 2 #235

do not try and gaslight me Celerity Aug 2 #237

Holy shit, me explaining myself is NOT gaslighting, you're just throwing out buzzwords. DFab420 Aug 2 #238

No person of good faith is making Shapiro's religion the reason for not supporting him, it is his stances on policies Celerity Aug 2 #241

EVERY DEMOCRATIC VP CONTENDER IS A ZIONIST, lapucelle Aug 2 #247

Literally every Gen Z voter. DFab420 Aug 2 #248

So the claim is that "literally every Gen Z voter" thinks "Zionism colonialism", lapucelle Aug 2 #261

"Literally every Gen Z voter" TwilightZone Aug 2 #263

You just need to go a see for yourself. Look at what happened on campuses DFab420 Aug 3 #264

Thank you. Blaukraut Aug 2 #242

I know she took herself out of the running, valleyrogue Aug 2 #229

Yea could've been exciting but I think we were already hearing, unfortunately, lots of worry the country wasn't ready DFab420 Aug 2 #231

At the risk of getting flagged RandySF Aug 2 #252

I really wish you would at least attempt to treat me like a person DFab420 Aug 2 #256

And yet... onecaliberal Aug 3 #265

No fighting please. epreic01 Aug 2 #253

I'm not the one fighting, I was simply framing what is being said in the media DFab420 Aug 2 #258

My apologies epreic01 Aug 2 #262

Personally I'm for Mayor Pete but past that Eko Aug 2 #255

DFab420.......... Upthevibe Aug 2 #257

Thank you, I really really appreciate you. It's been a crazy few hours of personal attacks DFab420 Aug 2 #259

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