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Sympthsical

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38. Axelrod was right about July

Sun Aug 4, 2024, 12:57 PM

Aug 4

Many of his detractors were incredibly wrong and head-in-the-sand about events.

So this confidence in dismissing his assessment . . . it was less than a month ago.

I don't know how I'd ever pivot from being 100% absolutely, counter-factually, pressure-poundingly wrong about politics and then declare I absolutely know what's going on a few weeks later and decide I still don't need to listen to outside voices.

I guess humility can only be taught to the willing. And sometimes even then it just doesn't seem to stick.

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Axelrod: Harris momentum leaning heavily on 'irrational exuberance' - what's his problem? [View all] question everything Aug 4 OP

Isn't exuberance a good thing in a tight race? Irish_Dem Aug 4 #1

It's the irrational part we need to look at Bucky Aug 4 #56

The data supports the exuberance. Irish_Dem Aug 4 #64

Of course Bucky Aug 4 #69

They would do better to balance their thoughts like this. Irish_Dem Aug 4 #73

I don't recall any exuberance about Dukakis. yardwork Aug 4 #90

If you don't recall exuberance about Dukakis, then you don't remember the polling Bucky Aug 4 #98

People stuck in the beltway bubble have no clue NewHendoLib Aug 4 #2

BINGO 'NewHendo' democratsruletheday Aug 4 #17

Really. Why is Axelrod consistently a poli-junkie Aug 4 #3

Him and the Pod Save guys edisdead Aug 4 #18

That's good. So did Obama's. I wonder if he had a problem with it then, too. ColinC Aug 4 #4

I definitely don't remember him complaining about exuberance for Obama, or suggesting it was irrational. highplainsdem Aug 4 #51

+1, first women president Americans are supposed to be optimistic like Obamq uponit7771 Aug 5 #107

Might be pissed plouffe got the job he wanted.... unblock Aug 4 #5

+1 True Dough Aug 4 #27

OH Right! He was Always Whining about Pres Biden Before Cha Aug 4 #96

Prick* needs the money. Kid Berwyn Aug 4 #6

I never knew that. Bluesaph Aug 4 #23

Most apropos... Kid Berwyn Aug 4 #92

Wow! I've always thought Axelrod was a pr**k! BComplex Aug 4 #52

There are some Dems who fear an energized Dem base. Yavin4 Aug 4 #7

Yep. He's a couple decades off the mark. Sky Jewels Aug 4 #60

Same with Carville IMO ALBliberal Aug 4 #91

+1, 60% of gen x is dem and even more for gen z uponit7771 Aug 5 #109

I agree with him. We don't want to peak now. We have policies to sell, but M$M both-sides everything bucolic_frolic Aug 4 #8

Axelrod is a traitor to Democrats...one should never agree with him period. Demsrule86 Aug 4 #11

Have you actually looked at the polls? iemanja Aug 4 #12

Hear, hear!!! nt LAS14 Aug 4 #15

Axelrod was right about July Sympthsical Aug 4 #38

Are you kidding me..Axelrod is not on our side...deal. Demsrule86 Aug 4 #78

I can situate who is on my side just fine. Sympthsical Aug 4 #82

He has had JD Vance as a guest, Dan Crenshaw, Tom Cotton and Mike Murphy is usually on too..look it up Demsrule86 Aug 4 #86

This. obnoxiousdrunk Aug 4 #74

Yes I have but honestly...most of the polls are seriously flawed...Axlelrod is in the words of Biden a prick. Demsrule86 Aug 4 #76

I think having momentum is not peaking. The Ninga Aug 4 #39

Fortunately Mz Pip Aug 4 #50

... mcar Aug 4 #71

None of this is evidence of "irrational* part of Axelrods statement uponit7771 Aug 5 #108

Axelrod is a bad guy-trashed Biden daily and apparently intends to do the same to Kamala. He is no friend to Democrats Demsrule86 Aug 4 #9

Tom Cotton. He had Tom Cotton on his pod for an entire hour. vanlassie Aug 4 #31

Cotton is not the only one eithers...one wonder why some here seem to want his bullshit to be true. Demsrule86 Aug 4 #79

Axelrod predicted the "red tsunami" in 2022 crimycarny Aug 5 #104

The media are always boosting negative "Democratic" voices LuvLoogie Aug 4 #10

I'm energized whenever I bump into clear thinking, LAS14 Aug 4 #13

He and Carville need to go far, far away for the next 93 days. hlthe2b Aug 4 #14

Likes to hear himself talk. boston bean Aug 4 #16

Pays his rent like that. Iggo Aug 4 #55

His particular comments aside... consider_this Aug 4 #19

Excitement leads to votes Cirsium Aug 4 #43

Complacent people don't donate, volunteer, write postcards, make phone calls, put up signs, etc. Sky Jewels Aug 4 #72

Yeah we should be downtrodden and morose instead edisdead Aug 5 #99

did I say anything like that? consider_this Aug 5 #112

He wanted the mini primaries like Carville did, more opportunity for mischief displacedvermoter Aug 4 #20

He also just HAD to put himself above David Plouff Bluesaph Aug 4 #21

Please everybody "cancel" this guy awesomerwb1 Aug 4 #22

It's a fair point. Music Man Aug 4 #24

without enthusiasm how edisdead Aug 5 #100

I'm pretty sure I said that it can't be won on enthusiasm *alone* Music Man Aug 5 #103

Irrational? Diraven Aug 4 #25

He says over and over Harris is still behind in the polls. This is flat out false. Quixote1818 Aug 4 #26

I agree Aepps22 Aug 4 #28

Even in the polls where she's still behind NYC Liberal Aug 4 #57

He's a smart man epreic01 Aug 4 #29

Time and Place Aepps22 Aug 4 #33

Excitement drives participation edisdead Aug 5 #101

The Harris campaign didn't hire him SocialDemocrat61 Aug 4 #30

Yep, the parade passed him by and he is just jealous and angry they aren't running to him Attilatheblond Aug 5 #106

I don't think it's irrational at all. viva la Aug 4 #32

Giddy exuberance translates to tons of volunteers on the ground. MaryMagdaline Aug 4 #34

"Irrational exuberance" viva la Aug 4 #35

his problem: for over a year Axelrod has insisted Biden should withdraw.. agingdem Aug 4 #36

This. Sky Jewels Aug 4 #47

I wonder if Kamala had taken Axelrod on instead of David Plouffe agingdem Aug 4 #75

No doubt about it! Sky Jewels Aug 4 #88

Fck him mcar Aug 4 #37

He hates President Biden, has since he strongly encouraged Obama not to pick him as VP. He's a dog with a bone! PortTack Aug 4 #40

It's not irrational. It's natural. And it's a good thing. Iggo Aug 4 #41

Axelrod is very pragmatic and he is calling out what he knows and sees. People here trashing him are Pisces Aug 4 #42

I suggest you research this, he gave Tom Cotton an hour of this time on the Axe. Demsrule86 Aug 4 #84

One would never piss on a fire that's keeping them from freezing to death so why is Axelrod trying to piss on ImNotGod Aug 4 #44

Has entered Weird Dude territory. Sneederbunk Aug 4 #45

Debbie Downer is trying to stay relevant. Sky Jewels Aug 4 #46

I basically ignore Axelrod. ananda Aug 4 #48

He's been useless since 2016. Iggo Aug 4 #62

David Downer. Tommy Carcetti Aug 4 #49

He is just being realistic. everyonematters Aug 4 #53

He's being pessimistic. And that's okay Bucky Aug 4 #61

Lol Hard pass. Sky Jewels Aug 4 #65

I am also a progressive, but we need try to appeal to whole electorate. everyonematters Aug 4 #94

I am sorry how have we done in elections since 2018? edisdead Aug 5 #102

Don't see the "irrational" part being real... First female president warrants optimism like Obama uponit7771 Aug 5 #110

attention getting scum displaced in ID Aug 4 #54

Fuck him. We are going into a Convention and there is nothing wrong with a little exuberance JohnSJ Aug 4 #58

'irrational exuberance' J_William_Ryan Aug 4 #59

He's a moron if he doesn't realize that Sky Jewels Aug 4 #68

They were saying the same exact thing Charmin One Aug 4 #81

Wrong adjective, Axelrod.... dobleremolque Aug 4 #63

It's RATTIONAL EXUBERANCE Charmin One Aug 4 #66

Whereas the tRump campaign's supporters -- completely rational Blue Owl Aug 4 #67

I don't want to hear his take on exuberance Keepthesoulalive Aug 4 #70

His money comes from the horse race. The closer, the better. Iggo Aug 4 #87

It's a catchphrase that doesn't translate well to this situation, Mr. Axelrod... Hekate Aug 4 #77

Run full out all the way through the tape and don't get cocky should suffice. TheKentuckian Aug 4 #80

He saying something like the sun will rise in the east Klarkashton Aug 4 #83

He's not totally wrong. Voltaire2 Aug 4 #85

Suspiciously close to "hysterical" nt TommyT139 Aug 4 #89

Does anyone pay any attention to Axelrod? Why? LetMyPeopleVote Aug 4 #93

My Experienced guess.. Axe is a Bitter Whiner.. Always Whining Cha Aug 4 #95

Him and Carville, struggling to become relevant. F them both. eom CoopersDad Aug 4 #97

Axelrod has turned into an unpleasant scold among Dem strategists. brush Aug 5 #105

WTF happened to Axelrod? Skittles Aug 5 #111