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Rustynaerduwell

(734 posts) Thu Sep 19, 2024, 07:02 AM Sep 2024

I'm going to post some facts about the Israel/ Hamas conflict that gives me pause. Should it not? [View all]

On Oct 7 1,139 Israelis were killed in a vicious attack, 815 were civilians. 479 Palestinians also died that day. Since then, 40,792 Palestinians have died while 339 Israelis have been killed.

40,000+ dead on one side. 339 on the other bothers me.

I don't hate Israel, but this feels very wrong to me.

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I'm going to post some facts about the Israel/ Hamas conflict that gives me pause. Should it not? [View all] Rustynaerduwell Sep 2024 OP

Hamas has a hell of a propaganda machine. nt LexVegas Sep 2024 #1

If I got something wrong, please, correct me. Rustynaerduwell Sep 2024 #2

How About The Hostages? PaulnFortWorth Sep 2024 #19

In most milatary conflicts Pototan Sep 2024 #37

And so does... 2naSalit Sep 2024 #8

Agreed, Hezbollah does too. nt LexVegas Sep 2024 #9

But the... 2naSalit Sep 2024 #11

This is what you are paying for Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #66

That we are paying for... 2naSalit Sep 2024 #67

It depende on who is in charge of protecting lives. Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #69

No, I asked... 2naSalit Sep 2024 #70

I got the impression that you were asking how a human life ought to be assessed in the context of the gaza conflict. Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #77

Since when are facts propaganda? nt Buttoneer Sep 2024 #17

Facts? calilama Sep 2024 #28

Yes, all those Hamas infants and children are a threat. /sarcasm Buttoneer Sep 2024 #84

So does Israel. nt Autumn Sep 2024 #21

This is why I agree with Harris' focus on... Think. Again. Sep 2024 #3

Israel was viciously attacked resulting in war. Irish_Dem Sep 2024 #4

Right. But to what extent are we providing the munitions? KPN Sep 2024 #101

Firstly, of your 479 Palestinians who died, PCIntern Sep 2024 #5

Please stop with the WWII comparisons Redleg Sep 2024 #25

It is an existential threat to Israel. Hamas knew exactly what it was doing when they attacked Israel slaughtering , JohnSJ Sep 2024 #47

You are dead wrong PCIntern Sep 2024 #48

An the Israeli government's actions have now made that more likely Redleg Sep 2024 #72

So Jews should just sit back and PCIntern Sep 2024 #74

Did I say they should do nothing? No I didn't. Redleg Sep 2024 #88

Hamas and Hezbollah NEVER follow any laws of warfare Just_Vote_Dem Sep 2024 #92

I have higher expectations for nation states than I do for terrorist organizations Redleg Sep 2024 #99

Here is another comparison, for what its worth. spike jones Sep 2024 #59

Sure- and how many Americans are real proud of that? Redleg Sep 2024 #73

"War is hell" Redleg Sep 2024 #27

Well said PCIntern JohnSJ Sep 2024 #40

Pay the price, don't count the cost DeepWinter Sep 2024 #6

Yes, people are entitled to judge Redleg Sep 2024 #32

What feels "wrong" to you? Raven123 Sep 2024 #7

The meaning of "to give pause": Rustynaerduwell Sep 2024 #10

What gives me pause is what percentage of those 40,000 Palestinian dead are combatants and what percentage are ratchiweenie Sep 2024 #12

Preposterous Numbers MangoPulpinaSuit Sep 2024 #54

Just the numbers?! We're talking about human beings. KPN Sep 2024 #102

70,000 British citizens died in WW2. 500,000 Germans died. Were the allies wrong to rid the world of Nazis? elias7 Sep 2024 #13

Excellent OP malaise Sep 2024 #14

Yup. CoopersDad Sep 2024 #68

I ignore them malaise Sep 2024 #100

Proportionality of response is a key factor duhneece Sep 2024 #15

Thanks for tackling this issue Beringia Sep 2024 #16

Regardless of your perspective... rubbersole Sep 2024 #18

Israel invests enormous amounts of its resources in defending its civilians. Beastly Boy Sep 2024 #20

And US resources. KPN Sep 2024 #103

Ya'd think getting that pasted might change their mind about tactics.... Happy Hoosier Sep 2024 #22

just looking at the numbers tsSleepyTimeDwnSout Sep 2024 #23

or no tsSleepyTimeDwnSout Sep 2024 #24

Keep trying, I have faith you will get it sarisataka Sep 2024 #35

rather than a snide response tsSleepyTimeDwnSout Sep 2024 #45

117.994 to 1 at minimum sarisataka Sep 2024 #50

thanks tsSleepyTimeDwnSout Sep 2024 #71

Why does the decision to have children convey absolute immunity TheKentuckian Sep 2024 #91

Thank you! Mossfern Sep 2024 #98

Not quite EX500rider Sep 2024 #86

How do you figure only 339 Israelis killed on Oct 7 were civilians? iemanja Sep 2024 #26

I wrote 815 civilians killed ON Oct 7th. 339 since then. Rustynaerduwell Sep 2024 #44

Pardon me. iemanja Sep 2024 #61

Hamas is like an infection. And Israel is blow torching the person's body to kill the infection IronLionZion Sep 2024 #29

Yes, the Palestinians are victims of Hamas Redleg Sep 2024 #89

I am not sure you are upset that too many Palestinians have been killed or not enough Israelis have been R Merm Sep 2024 #30

The death ratio startles me. But I think what bothers me is that the numbers seem to belie the idea the HAMAS Rustynaerduwell Sep 2024 #65

"I'm sure I am more wrong than right about this conflict..." egduj Sep 2024 #83

There's a lot of historical background here that must be understood in order to "resolve" the root causes. lees1975 Sep 2024 #31

I think that you may want to look further back in history Mossfern Sep 2024 #80

"Refusal of cease fire agreements can't be justified either." Does that apply equally? sarisataka Sep 2024 #82

Is this alluding to some imaginary rule of war that a certain ratio of casualties is "unfair"? sarisataka Sep 2024 #33

A good many folks ALWAYS insist on counting the terrorists as "innocents" and/or civilians. TheKentuckian Sep 2024 #39

Specious. nt KPN Sep 2024 #104

Looks to me that the OP is "alluding" to that. Yeah, Hamas was "looking forward to the Cha Sep 2024 #81

What gives me pause is how many people will use any excuse to vilify and demonize (((Israel))) for defending themselves Fozzledick Sep 2024 #34

Have the attacks stopped? Have the hostages been released? TheKentuckian Sep 2024 #36

It's possible that force won't achieve Israel's goals iemanja Sep 2024 #38

As horrible as it is, the primary goal HAS to be preventing a repeat of the October 7 atrocities at any cost. Fozzledick Sep 2024 #49

That differs from the Biden/ Harris administration iemanja Sep 2024 #63

The prime directive is the removal of the threat to nine million, tens of thousands already displaced TheKentuckian Sep 2024 #93

It's interesting that every single person killed among Palestinians are innocent civilians JI7 Sep 2024 #41

So if Hamas was better at killing Jews...it would feel less wrong? tritsofme Sep 2024 #42

The "pause" seems to be mostly anchored in insufficient dead Jews. TheKentuckian Sep 2024 #94

After the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, we dropped atomic bombs. elias7 Sep 2024 #43

As far as the bombs, it has been pretty well ascertained that it saved lives on both sides. yagotme Sep 2024 #107

Make no mistake about it, all the deaths that have occurred because of this, both Israeli and Palestinian are on Hamas. JohnSJ Sep 2024 #46

DURec leftstreet Sep 2024 #51

The DU Community had this discussion a month or two ago and, unfortunately, found that there is no middle ground surfered Sep 2024 #52

Israel Ladythatvotesblue Sep 2024 #53

How is an attack directed at terrorists genocide? sarisataka Sep 2024 #55

attacks Ladythatvotesblue Sep 2024 #57

Are Hezbollah operatives innocent citizens? sarisataka Sep 2024 #58

Targeting terrorists is genocide? Ridiculous as can be. TheKentuckian Sep 2024 #75

I appreciate your comment, but, as I'm certain you know, it's not that simple AverageOldGuy Sep 2024 #56

The niddle east has devolved into an "all or nothing" hell since 2003. jaxexpat Sep 2024 #60

This is the Devil's calculus ThreeNoSeep Sep 2024 #62

Reminds me of then Star Trek episode where RubyRose Sep 2024 #79

War is about security Bad Thoughts Sep 2024 #64

A pity that Netanyahu's actions prior to Oct. 7 led to greater insecurity Redleg Sep 2024 #90

That's a personal choice/opinion JustAnotherGen Sep 2024 #76

No, the numbers shouldn't. TheKentuckian Sep 2024 #95

I think your original post here about the Israel/Hamas conflict is more than a little disingenuous elocs Sep 2024 #78

Time to cut off funding of the genocide. nt Buttoneer Sep 2024 #85

"40,000+ dead on one side. 339 on the other bothers me." EX500rider Sep 2024 #87

It is at best pie in the sky level nonsense anyway. TheKentuckian Sep 2024 #96

Why does it bother you? former9thward Sep 2024 #97

Ditto here. Excellent post. As long as our tax dollars KPN Sep 2024 #105

Nuttyyahoo is now trying to turn Lebanon into another Gaza, the US must stand up against this state sponsored yaesu Sep 2024 #106